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Author:  PR 16V Turbo [ Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big brake conversions

If that guy is the owner of a Racing GTi that appeared in SCC Magazine, he won't tell you anything about the brakes upgrade. <br>He claimed that he developed a brake upgrade that will allow the Swift to go from 60-0 in less than 100 feet. I e-mailed him asking about the brakes setup and he answered that he was planning to sell the components along with ESRRACINGWORKS so he can't help me. I said, "Thanks for nothing pal"<br><br>Wilfredo <p></p><i></i>

Author:  suzuki gti man [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: no, i dont think so

OK I get it know we would use our rotors and rthe crx calipers and pads <p></p><i></i>

Author:  92GT [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 8:46 am ]
Post subject:  Sorry

I did not know. I cannot say. I told him I would not. He does have a great setup. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  old posts

okay guys<br><br>this has been gone over a few times already.<br><br>K one reason for trying this swap in the first place. was to use steel 13's on stock brakes. when i rally or ice race i use sprint turbo brakes which are 1 inch smaller.<br><br>WITH THE HONDA SWAP I CAN RUN 13's with the stock rotors and honda caliper. they are closer to the rotor<br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  bdgracia [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 9:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big brake conversions

Brake upgrade should not be that hard. You just need to get a bigger ventilated disc that will fit the GTi, some willwood 4 pistons calipers (cheap compare to brembo and others) and adaptor plate for the calipers.<br><br>The only think I'm missing is wish break disc I should get.<br><br>Bolivar<br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  jomo2002 [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re:

im confused!!!<br><br>i just need to know if the CRX calipers will work on my rotors and 14 rims!!!!<br><br>i heard something about 15s or bigger and then all this big brake stuff...<br><br>help me please as i want to buy some soon! <p></p><i></i>

Author:  OzMidnight [ Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Brakes

I know of a local fellow here in Oz that is using 4-spot calipers and larger rotors (not sure what off - I think a Holden Commodore) under 13 inch rims. His car is currently undergoing a rebuild after a "racing incident".... <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Metro Mayhem [ Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brakes

Just bringin this to the top for some of the new guys. I live in the US and Autozone sell these calipers brand new for 40 bucks. Just use your swift calipers for the core <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>George <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Jardamuth [ Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Thank for bringing it George

I 've read all these posts and it's very interesting on human behaviour hehe.. and oh! it's interesting for the brake info too <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>You know something bother me tho.. Everybody is talking about swaping the front caliper and bla bla bla.. but no one talk about rear brakes. I mean if you swap your front caliper, you get bigger clamping force due to the increased pad surface but also due to the bigger pistons. By meaning bigger piston that also mean that you have a bigger surface for the oil tu push inside the calipers so you need LESS pressure from the master cylinder. While aplying a lesser force on the brake pedal, you are also lowering the pressure you send on the rear brakes. So in my mind you are slighty off balance here. I know there is a valve that adjust the front-rear pressure but you it can be tuned as far as I know.<br>Don't tell me that you don't use rear brakes, that's not true. Yes there is some weight transfert under hard braking such as 70-30 if I remember correct. So the 30% here is important. If you lock the front brakes at 50 mi/h and that the rear wheels are still turning freely..it's not good at all... at least it's my opinion.<br>Take note that I dont race my car so I guess there's some people here much more knoweledgeable than I'm . However, I like to have to maximum stopping power you know... like when some crappy old lady enter the higway without looking if someone is coming or not <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Damn.. I'm so bad at english.. I'm all mixed up. Better go to bed now <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Jardamuth <p></p><i></i>

Author:  WE0H [ Mon Jan 27, 2003 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brakes

George, your the man... Gotta get 'em now for the new one.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Mike<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Jardamuth [ Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:  brakes

Went to an autoshop this afternoon. I bought a pair of brand news CRX calipers. What bother me is that they sell 13" & 14" calipers. I guess that the CRX SI have the 14" ?<br><br>Well, anyway I bought the 14" calipers, then went to a junkyard to buy the mounts. This is where I noticed that some calipers used on stock DX & CX civics where the same that I had bought a moment ago.<br><br>Now i'm all mixed up. Nyway, it fit fine. Difference between suzuki and honda pads is negligeable tho.. <br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>

Author:  n1tr0 [ Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: brakes

if you don't mind, how much were new calipers ? what mounting pieces did you need ? & did you get an actual part # for the ones you bought (& that worked) <br>thanks =)<br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Jardamuth [ Tue Feb 04, 2003 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Brakes

Nitro,<br><br>Do u live near Montreal? You can go to any good autoshop (I went to Import-expert) and order a set of rebuilt calipers for a CRX si 1988. It cost me $35.50/each. You'll have to give away the old ones for the core. In my case I went to my wrecked 88 firefly and got the calipers 'cause I wanted to keep the genuines Suzuki's. Now you need to raid at your junkyard to find two mounting brackets from any CRX, or accord, they are all the same as long as the brakes are for 14 inches wheels.<br>I live in Chicoutimi, the guy that work at the shop told me that usually ppl from MTL have to pay a bit more for the same parts, I don't know why. End up cheapper to order em from here and pay $10 for shipping.<br><br>Oh, I also ordered a set of Raybestos ceramik pads. They arn't cheap but perfom very well for everyday's use.<br><br>Jess <p></p><i></i>

Author:  mokompri [ Tue Mar 25, 2003 5:31 am ]
Post subject:  dba

does anyone know if the crx calipers will fit onto the dba rotors that they sell for the swift ? <p></p><i></i>

Author:  SK4WD [ Thu Apr 03, 2003 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Calipers

I am doing this conversion now and will try and keep a record of everything I do. I have bolted up the calipers to new DBA slotted rotors and all fits OK. The Honda caliper actually clamps on all of the disc, unlike the GTi caliper which looks like it clamps on 70% of the rotor width. I couldn't get CRX calipers, but I found another model Honda (Concerto Hatchback 1988 on) with the same brakes. The rotor on the Honda has a diameter of 242mm compared to the GTi's 250mm. So don't think about trying to make the Honda rotor fit. Piston size on the Honda is 54mm and GTi is 51mm. What difference this makes to pedal firmness, I will give feedback once everything is fitted and tested. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  mokompri [ Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:00 am ]
Post subject:  sweet

alrite awesome i'll be awaiting on the results of the dba rotor and honda caliper conversion results, keep us posted.. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  dimi V [ Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CRX Brake Calipers - WOW

What wil give better brake performance? The CRX calipers with normal pads, ook original calipers with EBC Greenstuff or something like that?<br><br>Calipers and pads would cost me 50 euro's each set, and the EBC pads only 135 euro's<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> So what's smart to do? <p></p><i></i>

Author:  dimi V [ Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CRX Brake Calipers - WOW

Nobody???<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Metro Mayhem [ Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: no, i dont think so

Hey I know the honda caliper sits lower but does it have more clearance from the rotor thanks.<br>George <p></p><i></i>

Author:  n1tr0 [ Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  rear brakepad cross reference

found an online retailer who was listing applications by pads (backwards) & they had the same pads for the swift (89-94 w/ 4 wheel disks) as the honda prelude (84-87, w/ 4 wheel disks, excluding the Si model) D277 ? behind a firewall now, so i can't find it again. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  turbossgt [ Thu Apr 24, 2003 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: rear brakepad cross reference

i found these calipers at my local advanced auto parts store in the states for $23 a pair plus you old ones for a core hope this helps anybody out there. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  turbossgt [ Wed May 14, 2003 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: rear brakepad cross reference

hello again i was just letting everybody know that i have since dont this mod on my 91 ssgti and it went on perfectly. i have a buddy of mine who had 2 junked crx si and he let me have both of the caliper setups for a good price. so if anybody else wants to do this i have 2 full sets of crx si calipers and mount brackets. but how could i have two you say when he only had 2 cars. well my wife wrecked her 93 accord ex back in july of last year and i have been parting it out. after looking at the guy who said that he took a pair off of a prelude that got me to thinking. and sure enough the calipers and brackets will fit off the 93 accord ex sedan. the brakes on the car are nissin and it had ABS i dont know if it makes a difference on the calipers from car to car or not. i can tell you that the pads are 10% larger and the caliper piston is 10% larger than the si pads and calipers. so that makes them 40% larger than the stock gt caliper and pads. i could still run 13" wheels with the crx si calipers but i have to run 14" wheels with the accord calipers. also there was no grinding with this install as with the prelude install. it went on like it came that way from the factory that way. no spacers or anything. i also have a set of steel braided brake lines from the accord and am going to try to install them next i dont know if they will work or not but i will try. i will let you all know if they do. if anybody is interested it the other calipers, mounts, and pads, the pads are used, please email me and i will sell them to anybody interested. my email address is slow_vibe@yahoo.com. i can attest to the performance of these calipers they are awsome. and the accords are phenominal. who ever contacts me first will get first dibs on the set of calipers with a brand new set of hawk hp pads, only 5 miles on them. before i switched to the accord calipers. if you have any questions about this, please post them here or email me <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=turbossgt@teamswift>turbossgt</A> at: 5/14/03 3:44:44 pm<br></i>

Author:  turbossgt [ Wed May 14, 2003 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: rear brakepad cross reference

(This message was left blank) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=turbossgt@teamswift>turbossgt</A> at: 5/14/03 3:45:48 pm<br></i>

Author:  OzMidnight [ Mon Jun 02, 2003 4:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: rear brakepad cross reference

Would you mind e-mailing me a pic of that model Accord that you mention? Just to make sure I'm looking at the same model here in Oz. It would be appreciated. I already have Mk2 Calipers on my Mk1 GTi under 14" rims so the Accord setup sounds appealing. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  89firefly [ Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Can we make this clear?

Sorry, guys, I got confused by now. To do this conversion, what do we really need?<br><br>2 Honda CRX si calipers and 2 washers?<br>Or, 2 honda CRX si calipers, 2 washers and 2 brake mounting brackets?<br>And I have another question, since I own a 89 firefly and I want to do this conversion. So I went to Mitchell Island to check out for this. In the junkjard, I compare the brake system of swift(normal ones) and firefly. I found out that they are different(rotor, caliper,mounting bracket). So can any owner of firefly who done this conversion can tell me what I should do? Buy the swift steering kunkle? <br>Thanks, guys. <br>Wish one day, civic owners won't race with us since they know they are going to smell our smoke. <p></p><i></i>

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