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Author:  ampb4 [ Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  More confusion perhaps

I bought the other set of turbossgt's calipers and had my mechanic mount them about a month ago. Unfortunately, he had to grind out the caliper mounting bracket to clear the rotor and the pad to clear the disk hub, similarly to how Jardamuth described for the Prelude calipers. Turbossgt and I are still trying to figure out just what calipers these are. Has anyone else tried a set of Accord calipers? If so, was any grinding required? If not, then I must have got Prelude calipers. They seem to brake better than stock, but I'm not noticing the incredible differences that Jarda and others have described. It's also going to be a pain to have to grind the pads every time they're replaced. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Swift-R [ Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: More confusion perhaps

ampb4 wrote:
I bought the other set of turbossgt's calipers and had my mechanic mount them about a month ago. Unfortunately, he had to grind out the caliper mounting bracket to clear the rotor and the pad to clear the disk hub, similarly to how Jardamuth described for the Prelude calipers.


Can you send me any additional info on this conversion, as I am not sure what exactly you had to grind :?

thanx !

Swift-R :D

Author:  Deizel295 [ Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:51 am ]
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Hey this sounds like coolness, a caliper from honda that gets more pad onto the rotor. hmm, i have a 2000 metro (not a gti obviously :cry: ) would this work on my car, i have been lookin for some way to upgrade my front brakes.

second question: how to i get GTI brakes onto the front of my metro? do i need complete spindles to start with and just build up the whole thing from there? i noticed the strut bolt pattern is the same between the gti and standard swift, so... um... :?: :?: :shock: um, help.

Author:  suchnsuch [ Mon May 03, 2004 5:46 am ]
Post subject:  98+ brake swap no good

The Honda brake swap WILL NOT work on 98+ Metro's. The bolt spacing on the caliper bracket of the Honda is about 10mm too large, and uses a larger bolt as well. I'm not sure if this is true for 95+. I know this cause I tried 91 CRX Si, 90 Civic, and 98 civic brakes, none of them fit. they all share the same bolt pattern on the caliper brakets thought, which means that the earlier years can use 98 civic brakes as well. (unfourtunately this does me no good.)
I dont know if I could swap out the spindles from an earlier year on not, but I kind of doubt it. Maybe someone here knows?
Has anyone here swaped out brakes on a 98+ metro? I'm not sure where to even start to find another compatible donor for these cars. Anyone have any ideas?

Author:  Deizel295 [ Mon May 03, 2004 9:26 am ]
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i was told that the calipers from an 1988 prelude fuel injection WOULD work, try those, they are different from the civic. don't get the ones from the carbed 'lude. you can also check with a dude named jurdamuth. he gots lotsa info. but ima try em anyway. if all else fails i'll get the front knuckles from a GTIU from the local suzi dealer. and retro me metro so it'll work. aeither way, it's time to GIT 'ER dun!!

Author:  suzukison [ Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

Hi I was wondering if you can tell what the caliper is from by the numbers on it . I went to the wreckers for the crx caliper and I think I got the 90 dx civic ones which are the same so he said. I got new boots for one of them but the boot was bigger ythe one that goes through the spindle (I think thats what its called). But if I let it sit for awhile it gets really hard to move freezes up.
The honda dealership shows the civic boot is two seperate ones where mines one boot. The # on caliper is 561 2028
Thanks

Author:  4 banger [ Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:15 am ]
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so in other words the brakes fit nicely...but are the rotors the same as the stock ones or need to be changed to the CRX ones too?

Author:  disrespected3cyl [ Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:07 pm ]
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OK, i can find these parts easily, but i want to make sure of some things first....
I have a 91 metro. Will this work with the 12" rims, or must i go up to the 13"?
I just put new tires on so i hope not, but if anyone knows; please tell me.

Also, does the swift GTi and the Metro use the same master cylinder? I would think this would make a big difference if you convert to rear rotors(but thats not the topic here-just thought id ask).

thanks!

Author:  JDMpartsguy [ Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:57 pm ]
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Alright, I've got a 94 metro with 12s that needs front wheel bearings. I found a 1990 LSI 'vert in the junkyard and got the spindles and 13" wheels off of it. My question is will the 88 CRX Si caliper&bracket swap work with these spindles? My goal is to improve the braking and be able to run a 14 or 15" wheel safely and possibly GT rear discs in the future.
Thanks

Author:  Gasoline Fumes [ Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:41 am ]
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JDMpartsguy wrote:
Alright, I've got a 94 metro with 12s that needs front wheel bearings. I found a 1990 LSI 'vert in the junkyard and got the spindles and 13" wheels off of it. My question is will the 88 CRX Si caliper&bracket swap work with these spindles? My goal is to improve the braking and be able to run a 14 or 15" wheel safely and possibly GT rear discs in the future.
Thanks

I have the SOHC 1.3L Swift brakes, I think they're the same as the vert. The Honda calipers will bolt on, but the Suzuki rotors are a little too small. The Honda pads will hang over the edge by maybe a 1/4". I thought about trying to find a larger rotor from another car that would fit, but I decided it wasn't worth the trouble. Unless you're doing it for better brake pad selection, just use the vert brakes as is. :wink:

Author:  mike5721947 [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:32 am ]
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so what exact year honda are the correct calipers from? also i have some 13" mags that i think should clear the calipers. this is for a 1991 firefly turbo (same brakes as the converitables)

Author:  Gasoline Fumes [ Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:07 am ]
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mike5721947 wrote:
so what exact year honda are the correct calipers from? also i have some 13" mags that i think should clear the calipers. this is for a 1991 firefly turbo (same brakes as the converitables)

The caliper I tried on my SOHC Swift 1.3L was from a '91 Civic Wagon. I think it's the same caliper used on the '88-'91 CRX Si. Any 1988-91 Civic/CRX should fit, but I think there are some differences. A lot of Honda calipers probably bolt onto the spindle, I don't know which ones fit the best. Why do you want Honda calipers anyway?

Author:  dragnfly [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:43 pm ]
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Hi,
I just joined the site and enjoying finding all the new info.
Has anyone come up with upgraded brakes for the newer cars. I have a 2000 firefly 1.0 and I would really like to upgrade the brakes, bigger rotors would be best. So far all the companies I've tried have been dead ends.
Thanks for your help

Author:  3pontiacs [ Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:58 am ]
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I assume mike wants the crx calipers since they are apparently better? I finally got around to boosting my turbo firefly over the weekend and found out pretty quick the the brakes on these things suck.

I cooked my brakes pretty good trying not to hit a few cars. I definaltey think I'm gonna have to start looking for a brake upgrade before I do some logging road rally racing when I'm camping next month.

Author:  hillbillyswift [ Tue May 29, 2007 9:00 pm ]
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only the 91 crx si came with the 4wheel disc's. and the 14" rims should clear it no prob as the civic and crx both came stock with 14"rims on the Si models.


if someone is actually up for a project i have here my 90 accord which i blew the motor in, the front hubs and shit are there with calipers and rotors. now the 90 accord usues the (ROH setup) rotor over hub. this car has the same bolt pattern also as the swift which makes it easier and cheaper for the bigger calipers. also i have the drive shafts (broke) but you can also match up or custom your shafts with the accord shaft ends. this is just something i thought of after reading your guys posts here.

also i am willing to give who ever will do the swap and reasearc the parts off the car for nothing, but you must update everyone and sticky it if it is possible and what you did to make it work and what not.

anyways i am new to team swift here and actually used to only deal with hondas but now swifts. i had my fun with them too, i still have some stuff laying around here and have someknowledge of them if you need a hand with something too.

Author:  disrespected3cyl [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:59 am ]
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ok, i'm going to the yard next weekend. I know there is a vert there, so i'm going to get the front spindles/hubs/rotors do i need the struts as well?
I'm just asking cause i want to do that swap and i'm also going to pick up some calipers from a Honda. My car is a 91 Metro(base)

The shopping list:
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CALIPERS/BRACKETS-88-91 CRX Si, 88-90 Prelude S, Civic Wagon AWD----must run 13" rim

93(other yrs?) Accord EX---must run 14" rims.

BOLTS-12mmx1.25pitchx27mm length


Hopefully i have it all and maybe listing it here will stop the "is this what i need questions" since i compiled the info i READ above.

BTW-SK4WD, you said the DBA rotors worked, correct?

n1tr0-you wrote:swift (89-94 w/ 4 wheel disks) as the honda prelude (84-87, w/ 4 wheel disks, excluding the Si model---
Am i right that the swift and metro vert front brakes are the same?
Do you guys think this means we could add 84-87 Prelude to the list? I just have 88-90 Pre S on the list....

Author:  disrespected3cyl [ Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

Well, made it to the yard yesterday and picked up some Prelude Si calipers. I also noticed that other preludes and an Acura GS had the same part numbers on the calipers and looked the same. On my 91 Metro I should only have to get the vert(which disappeared at the yard now :( ) or 95-97 spindles/hubs yet, correct?

Who knows, maybe if i just swap to the vented setup i may not even want to put the prelude calipers on, so thay may end up for sale.... hey, i'm not racing it, i'm using it for mpg's :D

Author:  gamefoo21 [ Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

disrespected3cyl wrote:
Well, made it to the yard yesterday and picked up some Prelude Si calipers. I also noticed that other preludes and an Acura GS had the same part numbers on the calipers and looked the same. On my 91 Metro I should only have to get the vert(which disappeared at the yard now :( ) or 95-97 spindles/hubs yet, correct?

Who knows, maybe if i just swap to the vented setup i may not even want to put the prelude calipers on, so thay may end up for sale.... hey, i'm not racing it, i'm using it for mpg's :D


If you want Prelude calipers your looking at getting the Front knuckles from a GT(i), they are the only ones that will work. If your in this for fuel economy, get the knuckles from the 95-97, and the rear discs from a GTI, this will let you keep a 13" wheel which results in better mileage.

Author:  disrespected3cyl [ Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

oh, i thought they could be put on the newer hubs. Well, I have a set of used prelude calipers and mounts if someone is interested-cheap! Let me know if you're interested.

Author:  harisvirani [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

i have a swift mk1. my breaks are very bad and say risky. so will the calipers of simple 88 civic fit in my swift mk1. i have installed a g13b 3 weeks earlier.

Author:  mijerseyswift [ Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

Are the same

1.1987-1990 Acura legend Front Calipers
1990-1993 Acura integra
1988-1991 Honda Prelude SI
1994-1995 honda civic EX 1600 w/ ABS
1990-1991 Honda civic 3 Door 1.6
1990-1993 Honda civic 4 door ex
Use "17CL14VN" Cast in the Calipers
brake pad D409

2.1989-1991 Honda Civic Crx SI front brake calipers
1988-1992 Honda Civic Wagon 4 wheel drive Version
1988-1990 Honda Prelude S
1988-1990 Honda prelude S "carburated"
Use"16CL13VN"(smaller than prelude less unsprung weight,(bigger Piston,brake pad coverage than stock swift calipers )
Left D/Side 1233
Right P/Side 1232
Brake pad D373

2. The Honda Civic LX,DX,SI,EX 1989-1991 with the 1.5 brake power booster is the smallest 8- inches Part #"01123-4045" Nissin kogyg "NM 205-V3"
Civic HF Brake Booster is "tiny" but still bigger than are booster

3.1989 Civic Si & Accord 8 1/2 maybe depends on model! just a guess an searcing the junkyard to measure them.

4. 1988-1991 honda civic DX,Ex,Si Power Brake Booster With rear drums (9.5 inch O.D) 13/16 MC
5.1990- 1991 Honda Civic EX ,Si (Engine: D16A6)
4wheel disc (10.3 inch O.D)

5.10.3-11.0-inch 1990-up accord,integra type r,Prelude.

All without "Anti-Lock"




http://www.precision-rebuilders.com/cal ... _honda.pdf

http://www.who-sells-it.com/cy/olympus- ... pages.html

http://www.knology.net/~jediklc/brakeinfo.htm

Author:  Petrol--Head [ Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

does any1 have the exact instructions on how to do this i remeber seeing it on this site before but i cant find were, havin real trouble gettin caliber for my 94 swift gti so this is the way im going to half to go

many thanks

Author:  mijerseyswift [ Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

Petrol head i think over ther there's honda civic's 90's version with the brake parts you need.

Author:  Petrol--Head [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

[quote="mijerseyswift"]Are the same

1.1987-1990 Acura legend Front Calipers
1990-1993 Acura integra
1988-1991 Honda Prelude SI
1994-1995 honda civic EX 1600 w/ ABS
1990-1991 Honda civic 3 Door 1.6
1990-1993 Honda civic 4 door ex
Use "17CL14VN" Cast in the Calipers
brake pad D409

2.1989-1991 Honda Civic Crx SI front brake calipers
1988-1992 Honda Civic Wagon 4 wheel drive Version
1988-1990 Honda Prelude S
1988-1990 Honda prelude S "carburated"
Use"16CL13VN"(smaller than prelude less unsprung weight,(bigger Piston,brake pad coverage than stock swift calipers )
Left D/Side 1233
Right P/Side 1232
Brake pad D373

2. The Honda Civic LX,DX,SI,EX 1989-1991 with the 1.5 brake power booster is the smallest 8- inches Part #"01123-4045" Nissin kogyg "NM 205-V3"
Civic HF Brake Booster is "tiny" but still bigger than are booster

3.1989 Civic Si & Accord 8 1/2 maybe depends on model! just a guess an searcing the junkyard to measure them.

4. 1988-1991 honda civic DX,Ex,Si Power Brake Booster With rear drums (9.5 inch O.D) 13/16 MC
5.1990- 1991 Honda Civic EX ,Si (Engine: D16A6)
4wheel disc (10.3 inch O.D)

5.10.3-11.0-inch 1990-up accord,integra type r,Prelude.

All without "Anti-Lock"




SO which of the above do i use for my swift gti 1994 mark 2 im really confused on the hole thing sorry guys if im askin a stupid question but i needa order them asap and dont want the wrongs ones that wont fit

Author:  Petrol--Head [ Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

can any1 help me with this im stuck on wat to do? i mite just sell the car its a wagon r with a swft gti engine and front suspension

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