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Author:  BCSwift [ Mon Sep 16, 2002 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Honda Brake Caliper Swap - Sticky

As MURR suggested, I went junk-yarding, and picked up a set of 1988 CRX Si calipers. They bolt right up with a 0.10" hard spacer on my '89 GTi, not the 0.50" MURR had suggested. The pad area is 30% bigger, and MOPAC had HAWK pads in stock. Kinda cool to not have to order high performance pads. Anyway, we'll see what the difference is at the track. I hope to go one extra brake marker in the major braking zones, we'll see if I'm dreaming, or not!<br><br>Take note. CRX Si calipers are different than DX for 1988. I didn't check beyond that, but be wary of the counter guy who knows everything, and tells you they're all the same!<br><br>-- title changed - remember to verify everything yourself - n1tr0 <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=n1tr0>n1tr0</A> at: 5/10/03 8:54:43 am<br></i>

Author:  PortugueseSwift [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CRX Brake Calipers - WOW

So you say that´s very easy? Is just make the adapt and... ready to roll?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Gonçalo M.<Br><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/1_2.gif" border="0"><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/GTI.gif" border="0"></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  calipers

they bolt right up like martin said.<br>and sorry i wasn't clear.<br>u can get different kinds of washers. normal everyday soft ones. or a hard washer. they are alot stronger then normal and will never crush.<br>i use a 1/2" hard washer. they aren't 1/2 thick, but the hole is 1/2" <br><br>later<br>yes<br>u need the civic / crx si calipers <p></p><i></i>

Author:  canadianneogeo [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  brakes

If honda brakes are somewhat compatible with ours then that means that honda aftermarket parts will work, imagine some nice Spoon calipers! i wonder if we could adapt any other honda aftermarket parts? like suspension. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 12:50 pm ]
Post subject:  swaping

he only thing that is somewhat close<br>is the calipers<br>they are both built by honda owned tokico.<br><br>suspension is way way way better on the honda. they do have struts as they have dual wishbones in front, and multilink in the back<br><br>spoon. calipers.. hmm never seen those.<br><br>y would u want to...<br>the civic ones work just great. and the aftermarket stuff for the honda works with bigger brakes. we can not use honda rotors as the internal hub bore is different the external hub bore for centering the wheel is different, and finally the wheel face offset to the rotor face is different. oh yeah the bolt pattern is different too<br>MURR<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://groups.msn.com/holyshift/shoebox.msnw?albumlist=2">groups.msn.com/holyshift/...lbumlist=2</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  m [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: swaping

So is it only for the front or are the rears compatible as well? <p></p><i></i>

Author:  ccRacer [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:  aftermarket direct fit?!?

does the crx si have 4 discs? if they do, then will aftermarket high performance slotted/drilled rotors & pads be a direct bolt up? i can get honda parts way cheaper than swift parts is why i'm so concerned. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  m [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: aftermarket direct fit?!?

I was pretty sure that they came with rear discs. Maybe I'm wrong? <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Tue Sep 17, 2002 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  calipers

sorry the rears are different. plus who uses rear brakes anyway <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>ccracer.... did u read the post a couple above. our rotors are WAY DIFFERENT<br>MURR<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://groups.msn.com/holyshift/shoebox.msnw?albumlist=2">groups.msn.com/holyshift/...lbumlist=2</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  suzuki gti man [ Fri Sep 20, 2002 7:50 am ]
Post subject:  calipers

where do I put the washers you guys are taliking about at. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  BCSwift [ Fri Sep 20, 2002 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Washer placement

The washer acts as a spacer to center the caliper over the center of the rotor. The washer goes between the caliper mounting bracket and the steering knuckle assembly. The caliper mounting bolts (12mm bolt w/ 17mm heads) keep their spring washers on the outside of the caliper bracket, and you add the spacer (+/- 0.10" thick) between the bracket and the cast knuckle. Partially insert the mounting bolt, slide the washer in between caliper and knuckle, then slide the bolt through, thread it in, and tighten it up. Simple! <p></p><i></i>

Author:  BCSwift [ Sat Oct 05, 2002 7:03 am ]
Post subject:  Safety Warning

Guys:<br>If you're converting to CRX calipers, you will probably need to replace the mounting bolts with longer bolts. As I remember, 12mm x 1.25 pitch. <br>During an off-track excursion, I had a rock jam in one caliper, and tear one mounting bolt out. I found the bolt with 4 wraps of shiny looking thread still attached.<br>The difference these calipers makes was HUGE for me. I went from stock GTi calipers with Suzuki pads to '88 CRX calipers with Hawp HP Plus pads. Instead of stopping at the #5 brake marker at the end of the straight at our race track, I was able to go to the #3, meaning I could pass almost anything under braking, if I could get close enough.<br>I'm going out today in search of '1990 / 1991 CRX or 1998 - 1990 Prelude S or any year Civic Wagon AWD (only the AWD) calipers which have a similar size pad, but 0.20" bigger piston bore for better clamping force. I'll then move the '88 calipers to my street car, a 1991 Turbo Sprint <p></p><i></i>

Author:  jomo2002 [ Sat Oct 05, 2002 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Safety Warning

im thinking of doing this as i need better stopping<br><br>you said we need longer bolts, any measurement you can give?<br><br>and are you sure its the CALIPERS that made the huge difference, maybe the pads you put on with them are much better! not dissing you or anything just curious because i could get these calipers pretty easy, i live in honda world...<br><br>oh yeah, do they LOOK good?<br><br>thanks<br>jomo, your favorite member<br><br>he he <p></p><i></i>

Author:  BCSwift [ Sun Oct 06, 2002 7:09 am ]
Post subject:  Beter Brakes

Jomo,<br>I know the pads I put on made a difference, but the clamping pressure of the much bigger piston is a big factor. I now have enough brakes that I have to be carefull not to lock the fronts, even with race tires at 170 kmh, whereas with the stock set-up and race tires, I could NOT lock the fronts over 30 kph. <br>This is not the sort of swap one does for looks.<br>If you want good looking brakes, get Wildwood Dynalite11's, and KVR's cross drilled rotors. My new setup is with '91 CRX Si calipers (even bigger bore) and Hawk blues (on the way). I have yet to try them, and would not recommend blues for the street! <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Sun Oct 06, 2002 8:39 am ]
Post subject:  honda stuff

yes if u have a street car. these pads u DO NOT want on the street. plus they aren'y legal either.<br><br>u can still use the honda calipers just get a set of semi-metalic's.<br><br>the hawk blues are a race pad. they require higher temps to work. and the work better as the heat gets more. not like stock pads as they fade.<br><br>i tired these pads at a slow auto-x.... ha my wheels turned black and the pad wear was more then a full weekend of road-racing. like 4km's to 100laps around a 2.2km road course. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Dr Kuzuki [ Sun Oct 06, 2002 10:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: honda stuff

tried the EBC pads? I use GREENSTUFF on my car, street and autocross....NO DUST, NO FADE, NO SQUEAL.....I understand that the yellow and Red stuff pads are even harder compound and need alittle more heat in them, but for weekend racers, green will do. I love them!<br><br> <p><a href=http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291514525>My Suzuki 1.3 Gt</a></p><i></i>

Author:  suzuki gti man [ Sun Oct 06, 2002 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: honda stuff

so what you guys are saying That Crx si Calipers will fit on my swift, and ther was a noticeable breaking differance. I only have one more question do I use the swift Pads or Crx Pads I am not racing on the track just on the street and I would like to stop a little better the the stock breaks allow me to. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  jomo2002 [ Sun Oct 06, 2002 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re:

you would use crx pads<br>i definately will try this<br><br>i just need to know what length bolts to use!<br><br>by the way, will any other honda calipers work you think?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  BCSwift [ Mon Oct 07, 2002 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Bolt Length / EBC Pads

27mm long bolts worked on my car. Check for yourself on your car. The bolt should fully engage in all the threads in the bracket. Hey, it's your ass out there, as well as your fellow road / track users relying on your good sense. <br><br>PS I tried EBC redstuff. Didn't work for me. Couldn't take the heat on our short hard braking track. Everybody's needs are different. Hawk HP Plus is a good pad for lapping days, track schools etc. I've got Hawk Blues coming for race days. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  suzuki gti man [ Mon Oct 07, 2002 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:  rotors

will the rotors off the crx fit our cars?<br><br>if so will the big break kits for the civic/ crx fitt too <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Daley [ Mon Oct 07, 2002 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  no, i dont think so

i think they are a different bolt pattern.<br>4x100 i think. <p></p><i></i>

Author:  Murr [ Mon Oct 07, 2002 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  rotors

nope u can't use them.<br><br>try to find big rotors for a nissan 240sx, like 93ish<br><br>they run the same bolt pattern as the suzuki. but stock they have a smaller rotor then ours.<br><br>except my car. in which i have custom machined the hubs, rotors, spindles to accept honda wheels. 4x100mm and now i use extended studs and 12x1.5 instead of 12x1.25<br><br>later<br>Liam <p></p><i></i>

Author:  bdgracia [ Tue Oct 08, 2002 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: rotors

Does any one know of bigger disc that will bolt on to the front?<br><br>I want to upgrade my front brakes with bigger disc and some willwood 4 piston calipers with racing pads. This should fit on 15" wheels.<br><br>Bolivar<br> <p></p><i></i>

Author:  jomo2002 [ Tue Oct 08, 2002 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: crx caliper clearance

i have one more question, will the crx caliper clear stock 14's, are they bigger??????????????? <p></p><i></i>

Author:  92GT [ Tue Oct 08, 2002 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Big brake conversions

Yes, look in the old posts. One of the other members told me how. You must run a 15" or bigger wheel. He told me how to do front and rear. Just look at the old posts and e-mail him. I told him I would not say how to do it to anyone or post it. <p></p><i></i>

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