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Author:  dethbrd [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:32 pm ]
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nixmixin wrote:
I grabbed the springs from a 98 Chevy Metro 4 door Sedan/Saloon and put them on my 89 Metro 2 door hatchback. I also did the front brake/knuckle swap for a bigger brake caliper and 12mm lug studs. I had cut the stock metro springs about 1 3/4 coils and my car was very low on the stock 12inch wheels. However, I recently purchased 15 inch wheels and knew that the car would need to go up for them to fit. After installing the new springs, my car looked like a monster truck! :lol: Nearly a 5 inch gap from the top of the tire to the fender! So, I am cutting the new springs today 1 3/4 coils in the front. I will update with pics. The rim is 15x6.5 inch with a 38 offset, sitting on 195/50R15s.


i have the same size wheels and tires on my 93. same sedan springs. i cut them 1 coil to start. another half on front seeing one wasnt enough. its still too high front and rear.

Author:  nixmixin [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:04 pm ]
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So I did 1.5 coils out the front springs. I have the KYB G2 struts, I think? Anyways, the springs sit losely in the strut until I lower the car down from the jack stands. I agree that it still sits too high but if I cut anymore, the spring will be flopping around on the bumps. :(

On the rear springs, I have cut 1 coil out. I am also doing the rear disc brake conversion and have hit a snag that I have to wait til tomorrow to fix. So, I haven't been able to let the car down yet on the new/cut springs in the rear.

Once I get it on the ground, I will post some pics...

Author:  nixmixin [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:55 am ]
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Had to go back and cut another 1/2 coil from the rear springs

Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:01 pm ]
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Stock height:
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After cutting 1 1/4 coils front, 1 coil rear:
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I may still remove the rubber isolator from the rear to get rid of a little more "stinkbug".
Coils were short enough in the front after cutting that had to make up and weld to the lower seat some tabs to keep the spring in place when topped out.
The sway bar link under the exhaust is hitting, so I'll have to cut / weld the hangers to raise the muffler / pipe some. Without looking under the car again, I'm wondering if it's low enough now to flip the sway bar under the control arms instead, but that's just a thought.


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Author:  suprf1y [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:10 pm ]
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Hey retard, learn how to post a pic :lol:

Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:19 pm ]
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Is this how moderators treat new members? WTF? If only I didn't have to give each photo a url and I could just copy and paste. Too much to ask? :-P

Author:  suprf1y [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:37 pm ]
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Throckmorton Whump wrote:
Is this how moderators treat new members? WTF?


You think you're special? We abuse all members equally.


Well, except the dumb ones, they get it worse.
FYI, you have to be logged in to deszertrangers to see attachments. That's why your pics don't show.

The car looks good. Wait till you get some rims, and rubber on it. That stance will look even better.
That car IS a stinkbug. Don't ruin it.

Author:  t3 ragtop [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:23 pm ]
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you 2 need to get a room. :roll:

losers. :lol:

Author:  suprf1y [ Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:37 pm ]
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t3 ragtop wrote:
you 2 need to get a room. :roll:


We've been known to share a cottage...

Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:56 am ]
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"FYI, you have to be logged in to deszertrangers to see attachments. That's why your pics don't show."

I figured that out after I tried to view without Dezert Rangers open. In all your wisdom, can you suggest a photo-posting site happily supported by Team Swift?

Just a suggestion - for Christ's sakes, sell some advertising so that you can afford some bandwidth and you don't have to mooch off the rest of the web.

Author:  t3 ragtop [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:59 am ]
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post your pics in the gallery here on teamswift.

we'd be happy to lose them for you. =)

Author:  Teeth [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:07 am ]
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I recommend photobucket.

Strut mount set up on cut springs:

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Still trying to decide to trim another .25" off the springs to put my ride height back to where it was before the strut mounts. It's not much, but I only dropped the car about 1" to begin with.

Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:20 am ]
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Tried posting in the gallery last night - was told it was full. Thanks Suprf1y for putting my pictures up anyways, you're swell.

Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:22 am ]
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Teeth wrote:
I recommend photobucket.

Strut mount set up on cut springs:

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Still trying to decide to trim another .25" off the springs to put my ride height back to where it was before the strut mounts. It's not much, but I only dropped the car about 1" to begin with.


Are those upper mounts drilled off-centre for the strut rod to allow caster / camber changes? Very nice. Thanks for the photobucket recommendation.

Author:  Teeth [ Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:29 am ]
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T3 Ragtop wasn't kidding. Trusting Teamswift to keep your photos is why so many of them are missing. Hopefully whomever administers the Teamswift servers doesn't lose all the text and the image hosting services don't lose our photos...

Quote:
Are those upper mounts drilled off-centre for the strut rod to allow caster / camber changes? Very nice.


Yes, and thank you! We'll see how they work at the autocross this weekend...

Author:  swift1.0 [ Wed May 01, 2013 5:54 am ]
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data taken from on a replacemente parts website
the front kia sportage springs are the same diameter that the swift rears, inspite they are much taller :D

they are a direct swap, but have to be cutted, and get more stiffer :mrgreen:

swift rears:
thickness 13,5 mm
outside diameter 121 mm
tall : 241 mm

kia sportage fronts:
14,5 mm
outside diameter 121 mm
tall: 319 mm

the swap after cutting them was a hit
the rear doesn,t dance any more on the corners
had to cut them a lot in order to just fit 3 fingers between the fenders and the tyre, but the cornering was great and stifness also
great results

Attachments:
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Author:  Throckmorton Whump [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:18 pm ]
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Removed the rear do-nuts to bring the rear end down more. Could probably remove another 1/8 or so coil from the front.
GT rims with 185/60/14 rubber.

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Author:  suprf1y [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:48 pm ]
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The rims look great. Don't care for the even stance, though.
Rather than drop the front more, make up some 1/8" ( although 1/4" is more like it) donuts to replace the 1/2" ones you took out. Use polycarbonate. You can probably find a few pieces of that lying around.

Author:  Go Kart'er [ Tue May 28, 2013 2:44 pm ]
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Question: Are the '98 Metro springs side specific? I cut one coil, and then trimmed the 90 degree cut to be more of a smooth fit for each corner of the car. KYB Excel-G's all around. Both sides cut equal amount. Even after a thousand miles, the passenger side is "1/2 taller on smooth level concrete. This is on my '91 Metro 'vert.

Or could they possible be made to compensate for the convex of the right hand lane? As I drive like an old man. If I wanted to go fast, I'd have a three rotor Cosmo twin turbo put into my RX-7. Or kept my Buell.

Last time I changed springs on anything, it was with a '68 F-100 using heavy duty springs, and they were side specific.

Author:  dethbrd [ Tue May 28, 2013 2:52 pm ]
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Go Kart'er wrote:
Question: Are the '98 Metro springs side specific? I cut one coil, and then trimmed the 90 degree cut to be more of a smooth fit for each corner of the car. KYB Excel-G's all around. Both sides cut equal amount. Even after a thousand miles, the passenger side is "1/2 taller on smooth level concrete. This is on my '91 Metro 'vert.

Or could they possible be made to compensate for the convex of the right hand lane? As I drive like an old man. If I wanted to go fast, I'd have a three rotor Cosmo twin turbo put into my RX-7. Or kept my Buell.

Last time I changed springs on anything, it was with a '68 F-100 using heavy duty springs, and they were side specific.

the ones i got from the junkyard were definitely different left to right. one had almost a quater coil more than the other. i didnt notice until i got them home. it was taller free standing as well. i cut more off the longer one so they matched. my car sits level now.

Author:  suprf1y [ Tue May 28, 2013 3:07 pm ]
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There is no difference side to side.

Author:  elbola [ Tue May 28, 2013 4:28 pm ]
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suprf1y wrote:
There is no difference side to side.

My rear left spring is has also 1/4 more coil taller than the other one. It might be a coincidence, but I'm starting to think it's not.

Author:  Angry-Alien [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:26 am ]
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Hi all, not to get off topic... Has anyone ever employed some sort of limiter strap for the rears when cutting the springs for a real low drop?


Alien

Author:  Teeth [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:44 am ]
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Not off topic at all, if you want to drop more than a coil or so off stock in the back and keep the springs seated.

I'm sure some folks have rigged a strap, but the more common and more elegant solution is to knock/grind off the tab on the shock and press a new slot for the pinch bolt so you can mount it lower. Then the shock limits your travel and you don't need a strap. Note: probably shouldn't do this with gas charged shocks...

Author:  t3 ragtop [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:51 pm ]
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when i was running cut springs i'd have to pull off the road and kick the springs back into their perches every time i sailed over a rise in the road.

first i tried to keep them in place by drilling holes and using heavy duty wire ties. when the springs compressed, the coils just pinched the straps apart.

a sturdy strap from the control arm to the inner fender that limits the travel of the control arm is about the best fix.

keep in mind that the struts have a mechanically engineered length of travel and are valved to operate within certain defined moments of travel. when you lower the car it moves the midpoint of the operating range upward and that eats into the travel of the strut. it can damage the strut if you change the ride height so that it causes the piston to operate outside of it's safe area of operation.

kyb warranty limits the suspension drop to 1.4 inches, anything beyond that voids the lifetime warranty.

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