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 Post subject: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:16 am 
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On the front right strut of my '93 geo metro convertible, there are a bunch of little rings that are broken. When you remove the coil spring, working from the top down, you remove the nut holding the strut to the "mount" (not sure what you would call this other than the "mount"), then there is a washer, then the top half of the mount, then a series of little rings of varying thickness and design, then the bottom part of the mount, then the spring, then the strut.

When I changed the shock out, I noticed that several of these little rings were broken, but put them back on anyway, so I could remember the proper order when I got some new ones, later. Well, later turned into days, weeks, then months and the entire assembly even got transfered to another car.

When I first put it back together with the broken pieces, I noticed that my car started pulling to the left. When I transferred it to the second car, that one started pulling to the left. My friend was helping me work on it today and, during a test drive, noticed the "pull" he offered to help me with the alignment. We made several attempts and finally got the alignment perfect. On every test drive between attempts, I backed out of the driveway and went north. After it was perfect, we went to get the catalytic converter changed and I backed out of the driveway and went south. There was a slight crunching sound as the right front tire hit the dip between the driveway and the road and now the car pulls to the left just as badly as it did before we adjusted the alignment.

1) What are these ring-like pieces called?
2) Where can I purchase replacements?
3) Do I need replacements or can I run without them?
4) If it will be a while before I can replace them, am I better to keep the broken ones or remove them and run without until I have new ones?
5) Are they the likely cause of my current alignment problems, or is there something else that can explain this?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.


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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:47 am 
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Looked in the Suzuki Parts Catalog and Fig 123 shows these parts in order from the nut down.
nut 08310-00123
lock washer 08321-01123
stopper front strut 41751-60B00
spacer front strut inner 41721-60B00
support front strut 41710-60B00
seat front strut bearing 41731-60B00
seal front strut bearing 41745-60B00
washer bearing upper 41742-60B00
bearing front strut 41741-60B00
washer bearing lower 41743-60B00
spacer front strut bearing 41744-60B00
seat coil spring upper 41230-60B00
seat front coil spring 41211-60B00

then the bump stopper
then the strut cover and then the coil

it sounds like the "little rings" could be the seals and washers.

Hope this helps.
Paul

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:43 am 
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It's a great start. Now, any idea where I can buy new ones?


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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:35 am 
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All the numbers next to the part are the Suzuki Part Numbers. 8)

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pacapo wrote:
You get an old one, clean it up, put it back to specs and take care of it, and she'll last for years.

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An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:46 am 
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I'll try to scan you a picture of what's in there - but it's supposed to be a thrust bearing

There are (or should be) two large flat steel washers with a rather fragile "plastic caged" needle roller bearing in between them and two rubber sealing rings one for the outer edge, one for the inner edge and a plastic spacer to center the whole thing over the strut.

I believe those would be item numbers

seat front strut bearing 41731-60B00
seal front strut bearing 41745-60B00
washer bearing upper 41742-60B00
bearing front strut 41741-60B00
washer bearing lower 41743-60B00
spacer front strut bearing 41744-60B00

from Swifterthanu's list (Paul - should the first item say seat or seal?)

By the way - that "rather fragile" is with reference to how you handle it - if you drop it it will break, but once it's installed properly it does seem to handle the required loads with no trouble - it is possible to install the plastic "centering" spacer incorrectly - and that will allow the bearing to move sideways which will break it.

If the bearing is missing or broken the steering becomes very heavy - I believe it can cause the steering to pull, especially if one side is broken or missing and the other side intact.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:37 am 
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Ok. After a couple of hours research this morning, I've managed to find a suzuki house only a few miles away (didn't know we had one in houston). I'm leaving town early tomorrow and won't be back till between christmas and new years, so I'll check them out in january. If you can send the scans, that would be great!


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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:30 pm 
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fordem wrote:
I'll try to scan you a picture of what's in there - but it's supposed to be a thrust bearing

There are (or should be) two large flat steel washers with a rather fragile "plastic caged" needle roller bearing in between them and two rubber sealing rings one for the outer edge, one for the inner edge and a plastic spacer to center the whole thing over the strut.

I believe those would be item numbers

seat front strut bearing 41731-60B00
seal front strut bearing 41745-60B00
washer bearing upper 41742-60B00
bearing front strut 41741-60B00
washer bearing lower 41743-60B00
spacer front strut bearing 41744-60B00

from Swifterthanu's list (Paul - should the first item say seat or seal?)

By the way - that "rather fragile" is with reference to how you handle it - if you drop it it will break, but once it's installed properly it does seem to handle the required loads with no trouble - it is possible to install the plastic "centering" spacer incorrectly - and that will allow the bearing to move sideways which will break it.

If the bearing is missing or broken the steering becomes very heavy - I believe it can cause the steering to pull, especially if one side is broken or missing and the other side intact.


Shows "seat". This is the "top hat" that keeps them all in. Right up under there sits the "seal". The front strut cover is supposed to keep all the grime out but with dirt getting in there they do get all banged up. I had to replace all my strut internals on the front as well.

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Us swift people are a rare breed.

pacapo wrote:
You get an old one, clean it up, put it back to specs and take care of it, and she'll last for years.

JVS wrote:
We (the Suzuki enthusiast) are Dinosaurs.

An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

1989 Suzuki Swift GTi: Red "My PocketRocket"
1989 Suzuki Swift GTi: White (Being resurrected)
1996 Geo Metro (Stocker)
1999 Suzuki 1.6 Esteem (Baleno) Wagon (Sleeper creeper)


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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:55 am 
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swifterthanu wrote:
fordem wrote:
I'll try to scan you a picture of what's in there - but it's supposed to be a thrust bearing

There are (or should be) two large flat steel washers with a rather fragile "plastic caged" needle roller bearing in between them and two rubber sealing rings one for the outer edge, one for the inner edge and a plastic spacer to center the whole thing over the strut.

I believe those would be item numbers

seat front strut bearing 41731-60B00
seal front strut bearing 41745-60B00
washer bearing upper 41742-60B00
bearing front strut 41741-60B00
washer bearing lower 41743-60B00
spacer front strut bearing 41744-60B00

from Swifterthanu's list (Paul - should the first item say seat or seal?)

By the way - that "rather fragile" is with reference to how you handle it - if you drop it it will break, but once it's installed properly it does seem to handle the required loads with no trouble - it is possible to install the plastic "centering" spacer incorrectly - and that will allow the bearing to move sideways which will break it.

If the bearing is missing or broken the steering becomes very heavy - I believe it can cause the steering to pull, especially if one side is broken or missing and the other side intact.


Shows "seat". This is the "top hat" that keeps them all in. Right up under there sits the "seal". The front strut cover is supposed to keep all the grime out but with dirt getting in there they do get all banged up. I had to replace all my strut internals on the front as well.


Ok my bad - I'm looking at the manual now - there is only seal not two, it goes around the outer edge.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:39 pm 
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Here you go - I think if you click on it, it'll open larger.

Please note that bearing spacer (#11) it goes above the spring seat (#12), smaller end down, you can fit it the other way around, and the bearing (#9) WILL break.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:12 am 
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Looking for the following parts :

spacer front strut bearing 41744-60B00
seal front strut bearing 41745-60B00

Anyone knows where I can find these?

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:18 pm 
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at the friendly wrecker nearest you. :wink:

http://www.oemsuzukiparts.com/

send a note to ksexton at southwest suzuki and he might be able to help you.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:14 am 
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Southwest Suzuki is the place to get the parts. Placed my order with them.

Many thanks for the link.

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at the friendly wrecker nearest you. :wink:

http://www.oemsuzukiparts.com/

send a note to ksexton at southwest suzuki and he might be able to help you.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:49 pm 
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off-the-shelf thrust bearing from Grainger can be used, pn 4ZZP1 (INA AXK3047)

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:03 am 
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bbowens wrote:
off-the-shelf thrust bearing from Grainger can be used, pn 4ZZP1 (INA AXK3047)


These look all metal as oppose to the plastic OEM ones?
along with the thrust washer Grainger 4ZZL8 ?

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:09 am 
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scubaman wrote:
bbowens wrote:
off-the-shelf thrust bearing from Grainger can be used, pn 4ZZP1 (INA AXK3047)


These look all metal as oppose to the plastic OEM ones?
along with the thrust washer Grainger 4ZZL8 ?


yes, all metal. I reused my thrust washers.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:42 pm 
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I too need the bearing spacer, bearing, and bearing seal (like an o-ring) for both struts.
Any help locating a supplier for two of each is greatly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:59 pm 
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Hi Randy,
I'll be selling this as a kit on ebay, shortly. Just waiting on the bearings. PM me, and we can make the arrangement directly, if you'd like--save a little that way. (btw, my ebay seller id is bowens).

metrorandy wrote:
I too need the bearing spacer, bearing, and bearing seal (like an o-ring) for both struts.
Any help locating a supplier for two of each is greatly appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Strut parts
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:45 pm 
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bbowens,

PM sent. Thank you.


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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1477629081

Strut Mount Rebuild Kit | 1989-2001 Geo Metro Suzuki Swift | NEW | Genuine OEM+

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