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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:25 am 
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Hi, I have a 1991 Suzuki Swift GT 109,000 miles. I have problems in the

morning starting the car. I turn the key the engine cranks 3 times then it

starts but, if I don't give it some gas right away the engine will shut

off ! After the first start of the day my car starts up right away with

no problems. Could it be a battery issue? I had someone check the

battery and it's reading 12Volts. It's winter time here where I'm at in

N.Y.C. Maybe overnite it's too cold out and the battery is not putting out

the power to start the car or something? Anyway I have no idea what it

is. If anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it.

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How much cca is your battery? I had a battery with 800cca in my gt and the thing started all the time. Never plugged it in once. It ran everyday, but i never had a problem starting it. I found that the smaller stock batteries didnt really satisfy me for the winter.


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I have a duralast battery #51-DL

CCA 425

Reserve Capacity 75

Cranking Amps at 32 degrees is 530

This battery came with the car when I brought it back in June of this year. Is this the right battery for this car?


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When I had my 91 gt, it did the exact same thing. I never actually figured it out, but it was usually when it was under 25 degrees outside when it did it. It shuts off so suddenly it's like the key was turned off right?

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Yea, I can't even move the car unless it's been warmed up for 5 or 10

min. But after that it starts up like normal even after being parked for a

few hours. :shock:


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could be a bad water temp sensor....

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Do you have an ECU chip or any other type of tuning device in the car?

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I don't think I have an ECU chip or any other type of tuning device in the car? How could I check?


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When I get money for a new battery I'm going to try that and see if it works out. Could I use a battery with a higher cca like around 800 or something? It can't hurt the car's engine if I did something like that could it? Also does anyone know what is the stock requirement cca for this cars battery?

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Oh yea go big on the cca. I did on my whtie gti and it was noticable compared to the stock battery.


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dasaniracing wrote:
I don't think I have an ECU chip or any other type of tuning device in the car? How could I check?


Well, lack of a rev limiter would be a dead giveaway, but some chips don't remove the rev limit.... What does your engine rev to?

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Roy what you mean the RPM gauge? On idle the engine revs high in the mourning like 2RPM on the dash gauge. Then after it warms up it will go back down to !RPM.

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No i think he means when your driving the car hard what can you shift at, can you go up to 8000rpm or do you get stuck at a rev limiter?


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Ya know, that's funny, cause my old white swift didn't have a rev limiter either, but it wasn't chipped. I replaced my water temp sensor at one point to fix the problem, and that did nothing at all. You didn't happen to buy an ECU that used to be mine did ya? :lol: Or perhaps there was a run of swifts with a faulty program in them?

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I think it can go up to 8000rpm I'm not going to try and redline it because that's bad for the engine right? No it drives like a champ I'm more than happy with it. It's just a little tricky to start. So far I pump the gas two times then I turn the key and it cranks 3 times then it starts up after that I have to hit the gas one more time then it idles fine. After that its good all day starts right up! Wierd right!?! :shock:

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No - redlining the engine is not bad for it - at least not a healthy engine. One of the best tuners I know would routinely recommend redlining the engine at least once a day, and I've been doing it with my Swift for over 10 years without problems.


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Location: Palm Springs: Too hot from June to Oct.!
Before those of you younger drivers in the northern latitudes take to daily redlining, you might want to consider your ambient temperature.

Sometimes, we post advice and questions based on our geographic location. A good example: someone from Singapore asks "What's a heater hose?"

The hoses and belts in alpine climates are exposed to rather large temperature changes that may not be present in a more temperate climate.

Those who redline on a daily basis may have a different climate than you, newer belts, and they won't be paying to rebuild your engine.

Just my 2 cents: Let your engine thoroughly warm up (including belts and hoses) before you put your foot into it. Further north, this may not occur for several months.

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Why would you want to redline your engine?

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dasaniracing wrote:
Why would you want to redline your engine?


Well, if you're driving a swift GT(i), then thats the only way to get real power out of it:

http://csl.forcefed4.com/roydean/swift/rdgdspin.WMV

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Regardless of climate or location - redlining an engine that has not been allowed to warmup would not be advisable - and - at least in my opinion, regardless of climate, location or ambient temperature, once the engine is at operating temperature, there is no danger in redlining it.

@dasaniracing - redlining the engine at least once a day reduces the carbon buildup that occurs on an engine that is operated only at lower rpms - for example a vehicle that never makes it out of the city traffic on to the highway.


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ok but i drive it on the highway from time to time. I just don't wanna mess up and blow my engine.

Well I left my car sitting for a week with out driving it and the battery completely lost power.

So I gave it a boost and drove it down to sear's auto shop and brought a brand new Diehard weather handler battery.

It started right up! but the real test will be when the temp. drops this weekend to below freezing !!! I hope it starts right up with out any problems. I will let you guys know what happens after this sunday.

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how bout having lots of gas in tank and plugging car in ? thatd be the best to do ;)

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want16v very funny :? i

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well i brought a new die hard weather handler battery and it starts up with no
problems and no engine stall. even after very cold over nite temps.
thanks guys for all your advice. i

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