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 Post subject: 3400 v6 swap?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:03 am 
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hi im looking into a project and was wondering if anybody here has down a v6 swap i'm looking to do an american 3400 v6 gutta a grand am Gt. i didn't have much luck with the search button so i figured i would ask.

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92-94 Geo metor 5spd manual everything
swap in a 3400v6
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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:14 am 
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Shoulda found it with a search. Someone on here tried it with a bunch of montana parts and bailed. If you can do it, all the power to you, but its a rather rediculous idea IMO. It would involve a massive amount of fabrication, time, money and skill. It would make a wild ride when finished of course...

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:55 pm 
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i've tried to search it and yet no luck on finding any info on it


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43709&p=328711&hilit=montana#p328711
try that, it will be interesting for you.

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:16 pm 
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It would be cheaper to install a 1.3L into that Geo or to even consider a turbo setup.

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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codyb76 wrote:
http://teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43709&p=328711&hilit=montana#p328711
try that, it will be interesting for you.


thank you but not enought info there for me. as for the 1.3l with turbo i don't wanna stay small i wanna go big and do something that will really catch some eyes


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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DukeNukem wrote:
There is a thread some where a guy has a rear wheel drive street legal 3.8 turbo buick geo. It's bad ass. That also will require major fabrication and $ installing a rear end etc. but I think it is much more doable than that 3.4 fwd in a geo, seriously it won't fit measure from the end of the transaxel to the end of the crank shaft then measure between the shock towers of your geo. 3.4 FWD could go nicely in a fiero, or a cavalier or sell it and buy suzuki parts. Somewhere there is also a thread sombody stuffed a turbo arieo motor in I think a sprint which has got to be scary fast barely fit and he wasn't sharing his secret's. If you gotta have a 3.4 get a RWD one out of a s-10 or camero with the transmission than do a copy of the 3.8 car, but if you go to the trouble get a 4.3 vortech fab engine mounts new core support custom radiator, custum rear end, custom driveline, custom wiring harness, custom plumbing, so yeah with money to burn mad skills and a garage full of tools you could make a one off badass little car, but the front wheel drive v6 in a geo isn't happening. Good luck



thats to much work for me i know the 3x00 motor is a HUGE project in its self but i wanna stay FWD if i want a RWD i will by another fiero like i had or a chevette. I have a cavalier i'm selling as it been there done that i wanna try something with a big motor in a little car lol (geo/3x00) sounds like alot of fun to me! and it should fit length wize for the most part cuase your putting another 3cyl back in it only making it a V motor instead so the probs witht fitting is really only going to bother you if you ran into. the firewall but if anyting you could put a 3100 in there due to the smaller chamber size's to help with that


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:34 pm 
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Actually, that swap would probably work really well in the back. The 60 dergree chevy with a 5 speed Muncie out of an 89 Z24 Cavalier.

Use a GM J body subframe in the back to keep it all together, and you would have the entire car to connect to and brace off of. Put a roll cage in it to help the car stay together, and block off the back of the car from the front. Radiator, gas tank, and cargo area under the hood. A convertible would be an excellent candidate.

That would be a mean wheelie machine that would probably get 35+ MPG on a roadtrip.

It is possible, but your creativity, patience, and wallet would get a thorough workout.

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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a 2.5 sentra spec v with 6spd/lsd fits in a mk4

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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i'm looking to keep this all GM stuff!!


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a 2.5 sentra spec v with 6spd/lsd fits in a mk4

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http://geometroforum.com/topic/2584624/

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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Hybridgeo wrote:
i'm looking to keep this all GM stuff!!



Im sorry to say it like this but "CANT YOU READ"!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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Hybridgeo wrote:
Hybridgeo wrote:
i'm looking to keep this all GM stuff!!



Im sorry to say it like this but "CANT YOU READ"!!!!!!!


Hmm?

Are you asking that yourself?

Since you do realize that your Geo/Chevy/Pontiac Metro/Sprint/Firefly is a rebadge of a very Japanese car, that Suzuki a very Japanese auto manufacturer built. It was actually originally called the Suzuki Cultus.

So when you are pulling that fine piece of Japanese engineering out, and cludging that ugly boat anchor of a GM engine in their you are making a franken-car? =)

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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not for sure wanted to get some info on if someone had done it and what i might need to do. Really hold up is money and weather or not i can find a tanny w/o major mods that can hold up to the Tq&Hp output of the 3400 and some abuse on it also. Any ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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JohnnyMullet wrote:
swift13b wrote:
a 2.5 sentra spec v with 6spd/lsd fits in a mk4

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http://geometroforum.com/topic/2584624/



I think this is a sr20de.So a 2.0l.Correct me ig I'm wrong but I don't think it is a 2.5l. But still....lots of works for not much power in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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can we please stay on topic


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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On topic...the Chevy Cobalt SS 5 speed is a pretty strong FWD box, and it's surprisingly narrow too...might be worth a look...maybe the entire powertrain could be worth a look, as it might have more potential than the old school v6 that you're talk'in of using.


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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Mr.Pipe wrote:
On topic...the Chevy Cobalt SS 5 speed is a pretty strong FWD box, and it's surprisingly narrow too...might be worth a look...maybe the entire powertrain could be worth a look, as it might have more potential than the old school v6 that you're talk'in of using.


the prob with that is your trying to put a 4cyl where a stock 3cyl came from with a v6 you still only have 3cyl's to deal with yes i know its going to bigger but still and as far as the F23 trans its ok but for the strangth i could use my NVG-550 or my M282 from HO Quad 4 cars and with that i belive i also can strech 1st gear to 35mph rather than 30mph and with that i can hopefully keep it pulling outta the whole better if i don't have to change axels i really don't wanna i was just wanting to change motor and maybe find a tranny that would just drop and swap to handel a bit more of the tq that the motor would be makein so if you guys have any ideas on a stout trans for a metro w/o much mods it would help thanks


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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OK then. Here is the thread for you. :razz:

http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=23531

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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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The F23 is the std Cobalt trans, the SS uses a much stronger F35. I have measured one carefully to see if i could use it for a swap into the Suzuki, and it was a go. The F35 comes with an optional Quaife LSD too, so consider the trans, even if your set on your iron v6.
The Cobalt ss uses stronger axles than the std cobalt too.
See trans selection for GM's here:
http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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You can use a getrag/muncie 282 5 speed, It would hold up to probably anything you could do with a 3.4l. One of my coworkers has one behind a quad-4 with around 500hp and 370ish on torque in a sandrail. The tranny holds up just fine. I personally am thinking about a quad-4 HO that I have sitting here with the same 282 muncie. My thoughts were to make it mid engine rear drive, use the shift linkage out of a Fiero, and keep the radiator up front. I know it is a lot of work, but I have everything here laying around! I am very confident in my fabrication ability as I have built several ground up cars. I probably would not recommend this kind of cramming for any novice.

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rmprob wrote:
You can use a getrag/muncie 282 5 speed, It would hold up to probably anything you could do with a 3.4l. One of my coworkers has one behind a quad-4 with around 500hp and 370ish on torque in a sandrail. The tranny holds up just fine. I personally am thinking about a quad-4 HO that I have sitting here with the same 282 muncie. My thoughts were to make it mid engine rear drive, use the shift linkage out of a Fiero, and keep the radiator up front. I know it is a lot of work, but I have everything here laying around! I am very confident in my fabrication ability as I have built several ground up cars. I probably would not recommend this kind of cramming for any novice.


sorry to call you out but i want pic/video and dyno sheets to prove this 500hp Q4. I know the getrag is a stout trans :D and as for the Ho swap if you do go for it i want to know all the info on it i have a spare HO outback also and spare 282 sitting around also!! would make for one hell of a highway flyer!!!


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 Post subject: Re: 3400 v6 swap?
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Look, I'm not out to brag or prove anything, You asked for help, and I offered advice, Take it for what you want, and the more rude you get, the less help will be offered.

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Just for fun, here is a link to a 625hp one, if you like you can call hot rod magazine out as well.
http://hotrod.automotive.com/77265/hrdp ... index.html

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kram wrote:
JohnnyMullet wrote:
swift13b wrote:
a 2.5 sentra spec v with 6spd/lsd fits in a mk4

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http://geometroforum.com/topic/2584624/



I think this is a sr20de.So a 2.0l.Correct me ig I'm wrong but I don't think it is a 2.5l. But still....lots of works for not much power in my opinion.

ummmmm try again, or just click the damn link and read maybe... no power... HA

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