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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:10 pm 
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hey guys, my parts guy who I basically buy everything from has an old 71 ford ranger, and he's been asking me about installing some speakers for him. being that he would be ordering through his store, he's basically paying next to nothing for everything. anyways, I was looking through the clearance flyers and everything he has and I kind of helped advise him on what to buy. he didn't wanna spend like 600 bucks or anything, so it's very entry level stuff, but the application should be pretty sweet.

we were looking at MA stuff initially, but the total came up to more than he wanted to spend. so we ended up settling on some 6.5" powerbass components, some 6.5" MA subwoofers/midwoofers, and a 4 channel powerbass amp. I'll be working on it this coming saturday.

I know it's not swift related, but I mean this is the audio section, maybe I can liven it up a little in here :) I could certainly use more installs with pictures to accompany them too.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:34 pm 
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ok guys got pictures of the panels almost done :)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:12 pm 
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this is what I've managed to get done up to today. I'm taking my time on it, it's kind of a favour, also I do think it will get me a bit of business, so I'm taking it easy. I think I should have both panels ready to be installed by next week.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:38 pm 
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just noticed how awesome it is that I have a picture of raw meat next to my toothbrush. lol awesome.

also noticed t6hat the picture of the paints I used you can't really tell what one of those cans is. it's actually a pearlized clear coat. so I primed all my grilles and my x-overs, painted them light blue to match the body of the truck, and then cleared them with pearl. they came out pretty good. one of the tweeter rings I was less than patient with and left finger prints, so I redid it, but they actually kind of have the same effect as the mtx speaker grilles, being pearl.getting some done here and there today. may or may not have more pics tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:12 pm 
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lotsa views here. any thoughts guys?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:22 pm 
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This may not be the case with yours but since I've seen it happen in the past... The rings are sitting (or look like it in the pic) lower than the base of the pod. Will they clear the door sills? Are you going to use a matching set of speakers or are they going to be a mixed set sharing that airspace?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:27 pm 
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nice eyes.

regrettably they don't sit perfect, not the way I wanted them to. ideally I should have gotten 5" speakers, but the 6" ones were on clearance. all it means is it has to sit up a little higher than I intended for it to. it will still clear from the closed door to the seat framing at the floor. it's gonna sit about an inch higher than I wanted it to.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:28 pm 
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they do share the same airspace yeah.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:30 pm 
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Well the extra inch won't affect teh sound at all. Why not build up the bottom of the pod another inch so that it sits flush with teh bottom of the door panel. Its not really much extra work and a perfect fit goes a LONG way to getting yourself a reputation. They do look good though.

Thats a Future Shop bay isn't it?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:38 pm 
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:) nothing gets past you.

I ignored it the first time you said it :P

lol, what am I gonna say?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:41 pm 
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good advice. I'll try that. extend out the bottom of the base a little and fill it to contour? fleece again would be a big waste of time.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:52 pm 
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You could fill it but if your going an inch thick with Bondo its gonna crack from teh vibration of shutting the door. At the very least use kitty hair. It'll have strength because of the glass strands in it and shouldn't be nearly as brittle...or use a piece of stretched grill cloth since its maybe a mm thick as opposed to how thick the fleece is. The Future Shop comment wasn't an insult...I've just been in a lot of their bays and the one in the pic looked an awful lot like one.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:00 pm 
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yeah I know. where else is an installer with 3-4 years experience gonna go to get a job with the world as it is right now? my biggest problem has been keeping a job due to business not being there. or I've had seasonals that never worked out. ah well.

thanks for the comments though.

not sure I wanna resin a chunk like that, but you're right, bare cheese will crack and chunk off over time. chop strand filler ok? or would you use something else? I just don't really wanna have to buy any more brushes. of course anything I have to do to make it right I'll have to do.

anything other than mixing up more resin you could reccommend?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:09 pm 
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Kitty hair is chop strand. Its glass hairs mixed with marglass IIRC. Only concern I would have would be the weight making it crack with the door closing all the time. If you go the chop strand way make sure you give it as much area as possible to "grip" the pod. I may even go as far as to drill a couple of small (say 1/4") holes to give it somewhere to anchor itself to the pod. Put your brushes in acetone so that you can reuse them or buy them from the dollar store. I'm lazy so I wait for a good sale at Princess auto and buy them at $1 each. I've seen them at Dollarama before. Buy 30-40 at a time and I don't have to deal with acetone fumes and other shit. Get a fiberglass roller to push out the bubbles or cut a brush down to about 1" to push them out.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:12 pm 
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I suppose the best advice...really...would be to check clearance/fitment while setting the rings...and factor in extra thickness from the mat/glass before you wrap it ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:28 pm 
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yeah well the guys driving the truck daily so I just took my measurements, made my shape, matched it up, sanded the curve to look right against the door and match the two panels. from then on all I've had is a test fit against the door every week or so.

it's not the price of getting new brushes, and acetone costs more than all the brushes I would need to finish it, I just don't really wanna go get them and all that. lol yeah I'm being lazy.
(I've also found that the paint thinner cdn tire sells that's right beside the acetone on the shelf in that white and light blue/green tin works as good if not better than acetone for breaking down resin)

the brushes I get are like a buck fifty at cdn tire anyways, so no big sale is gonna motivate me to go out and buy them on sale :P

I did check clearance when I set the rings. I made sure the speakers fit into the assembly :P lol

I figured kitty hair was glass, wasn't sure if you meant filler or just mat. I've overbuilt the hell out of this thing. I mean the first layer is fleece and resin, the second layer is glass reinforcement, and a third layer of fleece for the final shape, so I don't really wanna have to worry about warping and cracking at this stage, just not looknig forward to doing it is all.

thought it'd be worth mentioning, I think it's funny that the pompous thing stayed with you like that, lol. sorry about all that, I made the mistake of not realizing how many technicians are at work on this forum.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:06 pm 
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yeah well the guys driving the truck daily so I just took my measurements, made my shape, matched it up, sanded the curve to look right against the door and match the two panels. from then on all I've had is a test fit against the door every week or so.



You don't need the vehicle to do that part. Just lay it on a flat surface with the back at 90° and if anything ahead of the back panel (the part that mounts to the door) touches the flat surface it'll be really close, if not already making contact, to hitting when the door opens.

As far as overbuilding is concerned, if I was making a pod that size it would get a minimum 4 layers of glass on top of the fleece/cloth layer layer. The fleece doesn't really add strength to the pod and its pretty easy to crack when compared to the same thickness of mat. Warping won't likely be a problem but you'd be amazed at how much vibration the pods will get from daily driving, speakers playing, temperature fluctuations in the cabin etc.

I added the pompous thing myself. I don't get offended when people argue with me...I just do my best to prove them wrong ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:45 pm 
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yeah definitely glass is like more than twice as strong as fleece will be, but the one that's pretty much finished weighs like 10 pounds already. if it was a 10 or 12 I'd put like 7-10 layers of glass and spray it with rubber. I actually had them playing on the display board just parallelled, and they didn't sound bad, but the amp we're putting in his truck is a 4 channel with high and low pass, so it'll sound much better amplified and crossed properly.

I haven't done a whole lot of glassing in a while, so I feel like it's not bad for just getting back to it. I'm glad to be back in it, I wanna do more now.

like I said though 5" would have been ideal, but when the hell do we ever EVER get ideal in a car?

I should have definitely done more test fitting at the early stages, I was joking that I made sure the speakers fit and that was about all :P

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