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 Post subject: Here is a wierd story
PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:30 pm 
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Many people complain about how bad is the heating system of the swift, well here is a funny story that hapenned to me last month with my sprint turbo.<br><br>I was cruising on the highway at 110km/h. I had a lot of trouble with the alternator, once in a while it would jam totally without pulling any voltage to the battery. Since my idiot light is disconnected, the only way to know if it's loading or not is when my sound system start to blink due to lack of voltage when the battery get discharged. So, I'm cruisin and suddenly my stereo stop fonctionning. I understand that my alt is not charging anymore and close every electrical acessory in the car, I also set the parking brake at the first notch in order to have the daylights off. Since the ECU and ignition require very little power, the car is running fine and allow me to reach my destination. What I didn't know is that in the meantime my belt had snapped and the water pump wasn't pumping water anymore. I drove for about 20 mins on the highway, at a steady 110km/h, outdoor temp was -10. <br>As alway, I was monitoring the engine temp and everything was fine, it never went highter than halfway on the temp gauge. <br><br>Could you believe it guys? I drove for 20 min whitout having the water to circulate around and the motor never overheated. These tiny engines produce so little heat that the free air coming from outside was sufficient to keep it cool. I don't think that there is another car up there that could run for 20 min at 110km/h without engine faillure or seize. <br><br>Well, that was the story of the day.<br><br>Jar<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:01 pm 
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well, since you were driving, you were getting cold air into the engine bay to cool the engine, and also, you were keeping it in low rpm.<br><br>from my experience, when my engine head cracked and sucked all the antifreeze/water out of the radiator into the engine, it was heating up heaps, I was driving around trying to find a parking for about 5min, and you could feel that there was something wrong (apart from the fact that it was running on 2cyl), like normally when the engine is hot, it feels like a heater, but when I had no water in the cooling system, the air coming of the engine was soooo hot, you could see it, <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:40 am 
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Outch!<br><br>I hope you had some marshmallows in the car <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Actually, if my sprint is running idle with the heater fan is on, it will never get warm enought due to the fan sucking all the heat from the little engine. My rad fan doesn't work but it's not a problem. All I have to do when my engine start to get a little hot while waiting at the red light is to set the heater fan on and it cool down very quickly. It could be anoying on a hot summer day but since it's a winter beater it doesn't matter <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:58 pm 
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remember, at highway speeds the radiator still works regardless of the water pump. The temperature differential between the radiator (low) and engine (high) will cause a natural flow (kind of like ocean currents). In this case, it was enough to keep the engine cool (it was probably more than enough, as the thermostat was probably doing it's job to regulate the engine temperature).<br><br>--Roy <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:32 am 
The fan being electric would also help keep the cold air cooling the rad and the engine compartment !! Lucky boy you are!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> Ian <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:26 am 
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Yep...<br><br>Since the temp sensor is on the head the fan would have started... but I don't think it make a difference when u run at 110km/h there is a lot of cold air entering the motor bay, but I always wondered hom much restriction the 4 fan blades were making for the cold air. This is why I drilled my rad shroud like swiss cheese on my Gt....just in case.<br><br>I owned a lot of Volks Gti, on these cars, you have a second temp sensor that is located outside of the engine, right under the t/b. It catch the outside air temp that circulate around the engine. Whenever the air get too hot, the fan start. It's a good protection in case of temp sensor faillure. I'm telling this because the Gt I bought had many broken valves due to overheating. The sensor temp was not functioning and the lady that owned the car never noticed it. Of course, it lose compression thereafter. I'm amazed sometime to see how stupid people are while driving the car, they never watch the gauges!!<br>After having a good look at the head, it reinforced my faith on the engine's reliability. The engine in my gt overheated so much that the cams seals where totally toasted, they whent to dust as soon as I touched them. Still the lower end was left undamaged, no seized rings, nothing... it's trully amazing how strong they are built.<br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:26 pm 
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I had a similiar problem with the alt belt snapping on the highway on my 92 Metro. I heard a bang, and noticed something in my rear view mirror. Then 30 secs later, my temp guage rises to just under H. I slowed down to about 90kph, and the guage went back down to normal but started to rise again. So, I sped up to 120, put the tranny in neutral and coasted until about 80, and back and forth until I got home without any problems. In my case, the cooling fan never went on, so all I had was air cooling! (VW Beetle-uki?)<br><br>By the way, the cooling fan problem was because someone took the fuse out of the holder. In the Metro, the cooling fan fuse is located in a separate fuse holder where the interior fuse box meets the carpet edge. I think the previous owneer thought it was a spare fuse holder. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:58 pm 
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I was once told buy a suzuki mechanic 4/5 years ago that these cars don't even Need readiators... they can run fine with-out, but NA law or something requires all cars have them... so they put that dinky thing in anyways :P<br><br>-Mustard <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:13 am 
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Every now and then we get a car that is going to the wreckers and have a bet on how long the motor will run for under different conditions,sometimes we drain the oil(austin 1800 ran for 15mins with NO oil,it would have run longer but we got bored and held the throttle wide open to speed things up).About a week ago we had an old bmw six,it had blown its head gasket or cracked the head and the guy said scrap it,so we had a bbq and placed our bets on how long it would run at wide open throttle with no water,how long do you rekon it went?<br> Dave <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: With no water?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:59 am 
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I'm betting it lasted 5 min 34 sec. (full throthle)<br><br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:22 pm 
I know a man that used to sell Slick 50 , and has a Lawnmower motor out back in the scrap pile with no plug in it ,he got it out of the pile one day after 10 years and added a sparkplug and fuel and started it right up to prove Slick 50's quality. No oil plug either!<br> Ian <br>PS So the story goes anyway !! I have never had such luck!! <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:51 am 
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Hi,<br> The bmw ran for 20 mins at wide open throttle with no water ,it was quite funny to watch ,after about ten mins the block started smoking,near the end the motor started surgeing in revs I guess it was starting to seize up,then right before it died it reved higher than before,then revs slowed till it died.But that was a pretty impressive performance for a old bomb.Needless to say I didnt win the bet!!<br> Cheers Dave <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Wow!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 6:58 am 
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It's unbelievable!<br><br>Having the engine to run at full throttle for 20 min with oil, water and effective cooling fan would be a amazing, now it ran as long without water? damn, it's incredible! It think I'm going to sell my suzukis and buy a M5 <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>I know a lot of engines (especially honduh) that wouldn't even last for 5 minutes at full throttle even with oil and water to cool them.<br><br>Now the big question:<br><br>How long would a G13B engine last at ful throttle without water in it? should ppl answer in tanks instead of minutes? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Jar <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: Wow!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 2:34 am 
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i had a 1990 geo metro that i rammed a new ford f-150 doing 40 m.p.h. at the time.the radiator was in a "v" with no coolant,no engine fan ,and it drove almost 1 month before the insurance co. filed the paperwork and took it because it was totaled.this was all city driving in april/may and despite being scared to let off the clutch and the shaking under 20 m.p.h. , it wasnt bad.i was impressed with suzuki. <p></p><i></i>


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