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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:00 am 
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Hi,

Looking to buy a 1988 Forsa turbo. I figured I'd turn to the experts for info:

I'd like your opinions on what one in unmodified, perfect condition is worth.

I know these are rare, but if I could find one in extremely good condition, what can I expect to have to pay?

or put in another way, if one of you had such a car, how much would you be willing to sell it for?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Here's an old thread from someone with this car, on this site:

http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=53441


The topic of how to value any Swift variant, focusing on Turbo and Twin Cams is based on what a buyer is looking for. I'll throw out my take on this question, keeping in mind that the car you are seeking probably has an extremely small market of potential buyers or sellers. I'm guessing you are interested in cars falling into category (2) or (3) below.

(1) Just want to buy a fun, driver-grade car, with a lot of miles/kms. on it, and just run it into the ground, while planning to spend little more money beyond basic maintenance? ($300 to $1000)

(2) Want a factory stock survivor, ranging from super low miles/kms. on it, that has had zero modifications, just to drive on sunny days? ($2,000 to $10,000+. Range spans from a car with 2,000 miles travelled per year or less, to a car with less than 200 miles on it discovered in unsold dealer stock, if such a car exists. This includes any JDM cars.) =)

(3) Want a project car is totally worn out, (including rust issues), (that could be considered a parts car by some) and that needs everything, in order for you to work on over the next x years until it becomes close to, if not perfect? Range: $100 (project start) to $3000 (at project end)

(4) Want to buy a super clean, but highly modified quasi-race car that needs nothing, but an appreciative buyer? ($2000 + sum of recent new parts value invested X 25% + the previous owner's labor cost valued at well basically $0/hour)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:02 pm 
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Here is another thing to consider . Any used car (and that includes Chrysler K cars :lol: ) registered and insured with working AC is worth $1500-2000 in Arizona . Would I sell mine for less then that , not in a million years .........


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:04 am 
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$5K for a collector, non-daily driver.

Vehicles in the $2K range probably have their value in how inexpensive they are to maintain and operate. These end up getting used to go back and forth to work.

Sadly, few end up in garages, however that is slowly changing.

You'd have to catch my Wife in a really good mood to drive off with our White Turbo Sprint for $5K.

If it has working A/C and Factory Cruise Control, that would increase the price.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:23 am 
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Thank you all for the info.

So there does seems to be a world of difference between real world prices vs what that type of car can be purchased for.

As a Buyer, I can see that I'm at a disadvantage since there are very few out there in very good stock condition. The ones that are out there are loved by their owners, adding some emotional $$$ to the bottom line.

If I where a seller, I would then be at a disadvantage trying to find that special buyer willing to spend what I think my car is worth.

Interesting. :-)

I do have one in sight. However I'm not sure if the owner and myself will be able to come to an agreement (he had no initial intentions of selling it but I seem to have perhaps made him think about it). Will keep you posted on the final result.

Thanks again.

Serge.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:31 pm 
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emotional $$$ to the bottom line


Sometimes this can save you money, if the seller is less concerned about money, and more concerned about finding an appreciative new owner for their pride and joy. Applies to cars in any condition, since these cars possess so much character, regardless of condition. Experience suggests that those with (ahem) multiple cars are more likely to put weight on the buyer's intentions.

Eg. I'm looking to remove the floor pan sheetmetal before sending it to the scrapper (gasp!) vs. I've been looking for a car like this for x years and this one's a keeper. (ahh!)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:19 am 
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So even though you think it's worth about 5k, chances are you still wouldn't sell it for 5k.

The power of supply and demand.

Any pics of your wife's car? I would appreciate being able to benchmark the one I have an eye on.

Thanks.

pacapo wrote:
$5K for a collector, non-daily driver.

Vehicles in the $2K range probably have their value in how inexpensive they are to maintain and operate. These end up getting used to go back and forth to work.

Sadly, few end up in garages, however that is slowly changing.

You'd have to catch my Wife in a really good mood to drive off with our White Turbo Sprint for $5K.

If it has working A/C and Factory Cruise Control, that would increase the price.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:11 pm 
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The market is lower in the northern country's, for the simple fact that most people love Mad Max road hugging vehicles. Unless if you find a buyer in California. The value goes up in Central and South America. exclude Mexico they are part of North America And love V8's.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:49 pm 
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Feel free to post pictures of the title car and we'll 'benchmark it' for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:09 am 
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That doesn't look like a turbo car :lol:

besides , that one cost more then $5K to build =)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:43 am 
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Very nice ride.

Can you pm me the cost to build? Just curious.

Here are the first pics I took at a car show. They don't show everything. I don't have a pic of the engine bay.

All "mods" are reversible.

One question: did aĺl forsa turbo come with a rear hatch wing? This one has none.


Hope this works these are large files

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/pgoqnktx1hka ... 7LiIqQLjia


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:13 am 
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perhaps this way is easier,..

I have hi rez pics if anyone needs to see more closely. PM me.

Waiting for your comments,... Let me know what you think it's worth. (assuming what you see is what you get) I was told the floors are all original (no patch job). There is rust (below the paint) arount the windshield and on the rear quarters) That seems to be the only "issue" with the car.

It's not original (was repainted in 1999) and the engine was restored. Brakes are new. A few mods but they are all reversible.

Thanks,

S.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:04 am 
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suzukitom wrote:
Here's an old thread from someone with this car, on this site:

http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=53441


The topic of how to value any Swift variant, focusing on Turbo and Twin Cams is based on what a buyer is looking for. I'll throw out my take on this question, keeping in mind that the car you are seeking probably has an extremely small market of potential buyers or sellers. I'm guessing you are interested in cars falling into category (2) or (3) below.

(1) Just want to buy a fun, driver-grade car, with a lot of miles/kms. on it, and just run it into the ground, while planning to spend little more money beyond basic maintenance? ($300 to $1000)

(2) Want a factory stock survivor, ranging from super low miles/kms. on it, that has had zero modifications, just to drive on sunny days? ($2,000 to $10,000+. Range spans from a car with 2,000 miles travelled per year or less, to a car with less than 200 miles on it discovered in unsold dealer stock, if such a car exists. This includes any JDM cars.) =)

(3) Want a project car is totally worn out, (including rust issues), (that could be considered a parts car by some) and that needs everything, in order for you to work on over the next x years until it becomes close to, if not perfect? Range: $100 (project start) to $3000 (at project end)

(4) Want to buy a super clean, but highly modified quasi-race car that needs nothing, but an appreciative buyer? ($2000 + sum of recent new parts value invested X 25% + the previous owner's labor cost valued at well basically $0/hour)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:50 pm 
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You could get 5k for that forsa. But you will have to find the buyer. And I am pretty sure he will have to be looking for a car like yours.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:36 pm 
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RP91gt wrote:
You could get 5k for that forsa. But you will have to find the buyer. And I am pretty sure he will have to be looking for a car like yours.


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