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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:11 am 
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I guess my last thread was deleted for some reason? If anything it should of been locked because the info was still good and it could of helped someone. Here was my last post:

Here is a article for you guys to read. http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article ... skets.aspx

This explains why mls is a better alternative to copper and o ringing. It even explains that most people are going from o ringing to mls. And with the prices of mls of $120 tops for one if we do this the price isnt bad.

And to turbohull the tooling is mainly why we need a group buy but just to inform you they can do any bore but the tooling is for the main gasket design and viton layer. This is not the actual bore you can have any size bore after this is done. So no there would be no need to do another group buy for a different size bore. Cometic does how ever offer a phuzion mls gasket that combines o ringing and mls technology by a gas filled ring.

http://www.cometic.com/phuzion.aspx

So this is the best of both worlds. Please read these before posting back. And i understand the taking a message different ways but this to me is the most logical and when it seems like you guys are trying to disprove the facts I dont understand how else to take it. I dont have 20+ years experience and am only 21 but i have been brought up and learned from old time racers and also the new technology for the last 6-7 years but i do understand both views pretty well. I do understand what you are saying about the two stroke engines but this dont apply when you are not using any gasket and using head to block sealing.

I see the mls being the most efficient and most logical choice for price and reliability.

The Group buy is 100 for $70 a piece for 50 for $120, if we get this group buy down then they will have the die cut so we will never have to worry about getting MLS again.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:52 am 
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Im surprised nobody has posted on here yet since everyone had a different opinion on the last thread that mysteriously got deleted. These are all of the facts on the different gaskets and their different applications. Is there no one on here that is interested in these??? The phusion gaskets can be made after the first group buy if anyone was wondering. Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:37 am 
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im getting two asap from the caribbean islands! working on part# then im going to order two!i hear there stock but metal in three sheets like the felpro mls for suzuki van "apv" they have the esteem / vitara 1.6liter 1590cc engine,not sold stateside just worldwide. http://www.suzuki.co.nz/Automotive/APV/APV+1.6+Van/

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:03 pm 
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Alright thanks for the info. I will most likely end up doing the same. It would be nice to be able to get the different types of cometics but im guessing superfly scared everyone away with his opinions. Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:56 pm 
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stephennmm wrote:
im guessing superfly scared everyone away with his opinions. Thanks Stephen


Opinions, or facts? You're guessing at a lot of things these days.
Nobody was interested before, or after I said anything. Do you think there might be a reason for that?
Maybe you know better than me.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:32 pm 
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fact would be on the links i posted. I know it has been tried befor with interest but im thinking everyone gave up on getting a big enough order. I was curios do you know why my post was deleted after our discussion??? Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:12 pm 
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Links, and magazine articles are good entertainment.
You cannot beat hands on experience.
We once had a guy on here who bragged about writing a dozen books on turbocharging.
Sure, he knew all the words, and how to write, but to an experienced builder, it was painfully obvious that he had no idea what he was talking about.
Use the info that you gather as a guide, and gain the experience with your own hands.
I stand by what I originally said. These motors DO NOT have a head gasket sealing problem, and your MLS group buy will be a hard sell.
I didn't say it was wrong, or bad.
BTW, none of my motors have been o ringed, and I have never used anything but cheap ITM composition head gaskets. I have blown 1, and it was under some pretty severe circumstances, and totally my fault (too much timing).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:54 pm 
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I have blown only one so far but that was from me overlooking suzukird not giving me washers with the head studs and when i pulled the head i realized that they didnt and got some and put them on. Ive been fine sense and am spiking at 20psi but its with a gasket that one of the members here made in chilli. Mls would be great ive never heard anything but good things about them encluding a few people i know that do own race shops and have built some pretty wild stuff and they all say the same thing that they wont use anything but mls. One has a twin 100mm turbo big block mustang pushing a little over 2000Hp. I think the stock gasket will hold to an extent but not what im looking for. Im planing on 300+hp out of mine eventually. Not on stock enternals of course but i would like to have a better gasket at that point just to make sure. And the magazine article does show that that is what most race type cars are changing to sense the other guy was saying that they dont work. Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:28 am 
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Like I said in the deleted thread (whatever happened to it?) you don't NEED to have one absolutely to make 300hp. It sure would be a + but I don't think you can get 50 people wanting MLS for their 300+hp G13/G15/G16. your best bet would be to buy 50 gaskets and resell them. over a few years maybe you'll be able to get your investment back.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:42 pm 
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Ya i know like i said i didnt figure there would be enough. I would like to have a stronger gasket which apperently there was factory g13b mls gaskets that werent sold over here. I would like to know what happened to the old thread. I have been contacted by a few people wanting the cometics and one is a shop that would like to buy a bunch but they want a few samples first so that wont happen. When i was looking awhile back there was a lot of interest. You wouldnt need them for 300+hp but instead of doing vitaras they could just pick up a $100 mls that could be made anythickness. It would be something that would be really nice to have available and I bet a bunch would sell if they were available. But thanks for the responses and let me know if you find out what happened to the old thread. Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:19 pm 
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http://www.redlinegti.com/forum/viewtop ... 342445e3e9


part# is 11141-61J00 1.6 esteem & vitara 76mm bore 1mm thickness!

now i have to call suzuki dealer here in georgia or email the dealers in the caribbean islands.

strider said about 130ish usd maybe less!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:43 am 
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I checked this number, it's not valid in Canada :(

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:16 am 
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Then buy off strider or try talking to nOmadic on redlinegti. He works in suzuki shop in QLD, Australia and am sure he would ship.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:34 pm 
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turbohull they only have this through the international market it's for a suzuki apv van 1.6lt 1590cc from what i been digging up! get one from strider or aussie! thats the only way! i look @ it like this i know this headgasket is wearth gold! i put one on a civic years ago! if you have the money!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:42 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:43 am 
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Hello

Please see part costing as requested from the website

11141-61J00 Head gaskets US $ 193.36

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Livienne Mullings
Stewarts Auto Sales Ltd.
6-8 Orchard Road
Kingston 5
Telephone: 926-5400 Ext. 254
Fax Number: 968-7439
Email Address:l.mullings.sas@cwjamaica.com

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:35 am 
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i have 10 set available now... we still have stock here... price drop to 120usd for genuine suzuki part

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:09 pm 
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upsey! i didn't check that info! but im sure on this!
http://www.racepages.com/products/?N=17 ... 4294963348

i spoke to a lady named george! lol! she said the headgasket is mls part#HS9683PT1!PermaTorqueMLS

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:19 pm 
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Thats way to big a bore. Thats over a 100mm bore.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:43 pm 
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Any head gasket for 78mm bore?


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oMaRCiToh wrote:
Any head gasket for 78mm bore?


i will check with Suzuki Malaysia if can get one here

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:28 am 
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mijerseyswift wrote:
http://www.suzuki-auto-body-parts-online.com/esteem-engine_drivetrain-g123143g.html
suzuki esteem
MR.GASKET EMBOSSED MLS CYLINDER HEAD GASKET
4.125' Gasket Bore, .054' Compressed Thickness, Made From Nitrile Coated Spring Steel Layer, Ideal For Use On Super Charged Engines Or Engines Using Nitrous Oxide Or Have Extremely High Compression Ratios, With Manufacturer's Limited 90-Day Warranty

Catalog No. G123143G

http://www.suzuki-auto-body-parts-onlin ... 3143g.html

this must be a typo, 4.125" is over 100mm, they don't state what engine this gasket is for, but even a J18, J20 or J23 don't have that kind of bore , the J20 has something like 86mm (or close to, going from memory here.)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:20 pm 
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That part number is for a Chevrolet LS-1 gasket


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:34 pm 
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sorry guys! i was not proofing my info!

http://www.racepages.com/products/?N=17 ... 4294963348

i called racepages spoke to a young lady named "george" was told the following!ext 400

this headgasket is mls "STEEL" NOT GRAPHITE LIKE STOCK!


prt# FPHS9683pt-1 1992-1997 SIDEKICK & TRACKER 95-00 ESTEEM G16K

I talk to my parts guy to see if i can get one physical & see if i confirm! my find!
CALLED www.truckbodypart.com 1-800-314-0341 spoke to john ext.876
PART#FPHS9683 MLS for suzuki sidekick 92-97 $51.16

http://www.car-stuff.com/carparts/suzuk ... 3pt11.html


Application Info
Make: Suzuki
Model: Esteem
Year: 1
Brand: Felpro
Part: Cylinder Head Gasket Set
SKU: FPHS9683PT1
Material: PermaTorqueMLS

1995-2000: GL; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, VIN "3";
1995-2000: GLX Plus; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, VIN "3";
1995-2000: GLX; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, VIN "3";
1999-1999: GL; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, G16S;
1999-1999: GLX Plus; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, G16S;
1999-1999: GLX; 4Cyl 1.6L GAS, FI, G16S;

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:44 pm 
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That looks like the real deal. I'll order a kit and see what comes!

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