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 Post subject: Evo (4g63) intank pump
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:56 pm 
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whats up?

i just wanted to know if the evo fuel pump can fit in place of swifty's?

can this be swapped?


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It's hard to tell from an icon-sized pic. However, everything _will_ fit if given enough thought.
I put a Bosch fuel pump in my vitara, just required shortening the pipe that connects the fuel pump to the fuel system, and fabricating a custom mesh filter. The stock pump was some mitsubishi pump.


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I use 1G turbo DSM pump and it was a direct fit.. same with mustangs. I don't recall differences between 1G and 2Gs though...


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I'm using a 205lph from a 2000 trans am and it's a perfect swap too.

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Hmm, aftermarket fuel pumps are starting to sound pretty damn universal :wink:

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I've always heard you guys mentioning that the fuel rail on the 92 and up gti needs to be changed or modified?

But i've been turbo'd for over 2 years now and i'm still on the stock hollow fuel rail and stock pressure regulators!

i'm running rich on the dyno 11:1 with water injection so this mean i'm probably in the 10's:1 actual AFR.

My spark plugs look ok and i'm running 14 lbs of boost?

my question is what is the facts for changing or modifing the fuel rail?

i can understand the older MK1 or MK2 fuel rail but the MK3 fuel rail diameter is larger than my mechanics Mitsubishi glant VR-4!!!

So please shed some light?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:41 am 
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http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/teamswift/fuelrail.html

big on outside, CRAP on the inside...

I would never run with a stocker... just me though


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fuel pumps have different case sizes and dimensions and all you need is to have a way to secure it in the tank where the pickup will still remain as close to the bottom as possible. Fuel slosh around heavy corners or running out of fuel on low tanks of gas isn't something you want to go for.

The DSM/Mustangs/few others are exact same dimensions as our Swift pump and our pick up screens bolt on exactly. Not every pump will be like this and some will require much more thought.


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i am using a intank fuel pump from a 3L car and it works great too.


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whattheeee wrote:
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/teamswift/fuelrail.html

big on outside, CRAP on the inside...

I would never run with a stocker... just me though


YEa but that pic is for the older fuel rails..the ones i have are completely hollow.

i checked.


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The MK2 and MK3 GTi rails I've chopped are CRAP. I've chopped 4 or more of them in total. The MK3 looked even worse than my MK2.

We don't have MK1s but they are the old ones and are supposed to be the hollow ones. Around here, not aware of anything newer that is hollow.

If you have a hollow one, why the heck are you worried about it?


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The MK1 rail looks almost identical to the one in the Vitara, it's cast aluminum and about half an inch in internal diameter, connected with a banjo connector.


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baldurg wrote:
The MK1 rail looks almost identical to the one in the Vitara, it's cast aluminum and about half an inch in internal diameter, connected with a banjo connector.

is the vitara rail interchangeable ?

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whattheeee wrote:
The MK2 and MK3 GTi rails I've chopped are CRAP. I've chopped 4 or more of them in total. The MK3 looked even worse than my MK2.

We don't have MK1s but they are the old ones and are supposed to be the hollow ones. Around here, not aware of anything newer that is hollow.

If you have a hollow one, why the heck are you worried about it?


Oh so if i have the hollow one then everything is ok, is that what your saying? i hope so

all i will do is just chop and add a new pressure reg.


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I think you should measure it. I did when I built my setup. With the second fuel pump in the system, I applied 2.5 bar air to the stock regulator (survived) , in the return line measured about 1.6 liters gas per minute. Of course the motor did'n run. So I think that's enough. The results say it too. :D
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n1tr0 wrote:
baldurg wrote:
The MK1 rail looks almost identical to the one in the Vitara, it's cast aluminum and about half an inch in internal diameter, connected with a banjo connector.

is the vitara rail interchangeable ?


I have no idea, it very well could be.


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the fuel rail has 2 friggin pressure reg's. damn i just cut one off. i think im gonna leave the other one on as it is the return line and if there was some restriction it would allow pressure to build. is it possible to run without a intake fuel reg?


o and who can guess the material of the rail?

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the fuel rail has 2 friggin pressure reg's. damn i just cut one off. i think im gonna leave the other one on as it is the return line and if there was some restriction it would allow pressure to build. is it possible to run without a intake fuel reg?


o and who can guess the material of the rail?


It wasn't me...:) ohh it wasn't fpr, but just pressure damperer (or something like that). It's possible to run without it...

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 Post subject: Fuel rail
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I can vouch for the later mk3 rails being hollow,there is no problem using the hollow rail,just chop off the fuel reg ,weld on a dash fitting,throw away the damper.
I use the mk3 rail converted this way on my drag engine ,never a problem.However if you have a mk2 or early mk3 rail and can see a pipe running through the guts of the rail I would not use that rail.
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found a good page w/ various fuel pump rates & how they flow w/ relation to the fuel pressure ... :!:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/fuel ... wrates.htm
definately a bit of required reading ! :)

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The current issue of Turbo Magazine(April 2004) also has a fuel pump shoot out in it. This is also another turbo tech issue! Pick it up at newsstands while you still can!
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sure, but doesn't that mag only list new stuff ? never found anything useful for a junkyard/budget setup in that mag while browsing yet ..

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That may be true for product reviews, but their tech articles are excellent, and can be universally applied to any engine. The issue I mentioned above for example has a section on cryotreating turbo components, an article on diagnosing turbocharger problems, and the fuel pump test (which also tests stock fuel pumps). Their last turbo tech issue had a huge multi-page article on how to read compressor maps, and how to use the math for turbo sizing.
The next time you're down at Safeway, go flip through that issue!

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How much is the swift 1.3 8V (68 hp) injector flow rate?


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