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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:27 am 
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I was wondering what the thoughts are on this swap? I also wondered if the non AWD version would be easier? I would like to put the AWD version in my Turbo Sprint/GT & the non AWD in my Metro Convertible.


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There's actually a swift out there that this exact swap was being done on. It's been sold several times, and is nowhere near done, so I'm presuming it's a pretty awful swap. Besides, why put in a transmission weaker than the ones already in a swift?

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I want a to put at least a 2.0 liter engine in my car with AWD so what other options do I have? Many people have had good luck with the Eagle Talon Turbo AWD which is a pocket rocket in its own right so I thought what the hell, why not give it a try.


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I want a to put at least a 2.0 liter engine in my car with AWD so what other options do I have? Many people have had good luck with the Eagle Talon Turbo AWD which is a pocket rocket in its own right so I thought what the hell, why not give it a try.


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I think the engine and tranny setup is too wide. IMO, if you want that engine and AWD, then you should just buy a DSM. They aren't expensive and it will save you a ton of hassle.

Personally, I think a much more interesting swap would be a crotch rocket engine into a Swift. If I ever wind up with two of these cars, the second one will become a project for that exact swap. :twisted:


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The Idea behind this project is to have a unique ride. I know a place in Regina, Sask. which can does swaps of this magnitude I just wanted to get other Swift/Sprint owners opinions. I believe if this is done properly & I do the custom interior with myself, I could have a sleeper car as well as a 1 of a kind creation.


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well i hope u got deep pockets cuz that aint guna be cheap.

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I would not go DSM, it stands for "Dumb Schmuck Moneypit"
The drive trains are not very strong, and expensive as hell to repair.
The Colt idea is a good one, just finding the drivetrain may be a bit tricky.
A friend of mine has a 1.8 turbo charged integra motor and tranny in his GTi.
It's 2wd and a 14 sec 1/4 mile car, and the engine is stock except for the bolt on turbo.
Look for strength and dependability, then decide if it will fit.
That way you won't be always fixing it after the transplant is done.
Maybe a 4WD Subaru product?

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Knuckles, hate to smack you down SO HARD, but I gotta...

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I would not go DSM, it stands for "Dumb Schmuck Moneypit"
The drive trains are not very strong, and expensive as hell to repair.


Dumb Schmuck Moneypit? Sorry, you are confused! It stands for Diamond Star Motors, a joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. :D

The trannys aren't very strong stock but there are plenty of aftermarket options for reasonable prices. Repair parts are cheap (cheaper than the Chrysler-powered 420A non-turbo Eclipses), but most importantly, the engines (which is what the swap would consist of) never really need much maintenance or repair at all.

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The Colt idea is a good one, just finding the drivetrain may be a bit tricky.


A FWD 4g63 drivetrain is not a hard thing to find. Most of the 4g63 Colt swaps aren't AWD.

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A friend of mine has a 1.8 turbo charged integra motor and tranny in his GTi.
It's 2wd and a 14 sec 1/4 mile car, and the engine is stock except for the bolt on turbo.


I'm going to have to disagree on this, he'd be better off with a turbo'd Suzuki motor IMO.

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Look for strength and dependability, then decide if it will fit.
That way you won't be always fixing it after the transplant is done.


Well, now that we're past the DSM stereotypes, I will say that I agree with the statement.

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Maybe a 4WD Subaru product?

Just my opinion!


I don't think a 4WD Subaru drivetrain would fit, as Subaru motors sit forward of the tranny. Maybe some chassis modification could be made.

As for you last remark, please don't let stupid comments from guys like me prevent you from voicing your opinion. That's what makes the internet so great. :D


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talk to n1tr0 about the reliability of dsm. he had a freind give him a awd turbo eclipse. after a few weeks , he gave it back. :ez_lol:

true story.

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talk to n1tr0 about the reliability of dsm. he had a freind give him a awd turbo eclipse. after a few weeks , he gave it back. :ez_lol:

true story.


Exactly a true story.

So while I am on the DSM bash wagon train, why do all the poor guys that call me about parts for these things.
Start their sentences off with a swear word or two before asking for which one of the 5 cylinder heads available for my engine do I actually have.
Or have you ever changed a water pump on one of these XXXXXXX engines.
Or how about a clutch, or tranny. The reply is WTF? HOW MUCH?
They are a bitch to work on and parts are NOT cheap, maybe a lot of used ones are from cars that have been abandoned. :roll:

And finally I agree the internet is great for voicing your opinons. :razz:

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tuffcarguy wrote:
talk to n1tr0 about the reliability of dsm. he had a freind give him a awd turbo eclipse. after a few weeks , he gave it back. :ez_lol:

true story.


Well, everyone's got their experiences. I've got my own DSM and the engine has been practically bulletproof. I've never had any mechanical problems with the car.

They are notorious for nickel-and-diming their owners to death though.


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I've got my own DSM and the engine has been practically bulletproof.

there is way more to a good car than an engine!!!


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They are notorious for nickel-and-diming their owners to death though.


nuff said!!! :lol:

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This thread is funny. I daily drive a '92 Eclipse GSX (Turbo, AWD) - My car is severely modified and has been more reliable than my '95 Swift. My car runs consistant 11.3's in the 1/4 mile and has not ever broken on me. I do all the maintenance on time and ensure that everything is done right. The 4G63T platform is very powerful and reliable if done right. The transmissions in stock form have been known to take people into the 9's! (google Jake Montgomery) - but if you don't trust them, get it rebuilt by one of the reputable DSM tranny shops: sheptrans.com or teamrip.com. I personally have the shepherd racing stage 4 transmission and it has no trouble revving to 9500 and power shifting.

As for these cars being expensive to repair: not true. Replacement parts for these cars are abundant and not expensive at all. Don't shop at the dealer.

Furthermore, bashing DSM performance on a Swift site is silly. Is there even a Swift in existance with the engine that came in it that will run better than 9 second quarter miles? The ONLY advantagbes of a Swift over a DSM is usually reliability and economy.


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swarm wrote:
The ONLY advantagbes of a Swift over a DSM is usually reliability and economy.


And You said it! "Reliability"

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Back to the topic.

I personally believe this would be extremely difficult to do. The swift engine bay cimply is no wide enough for an engine of that size. Even if it was done, the weight gain would simply make it an horrible car with terrible handling. Those 2.0l engines are heavy cast iron block that weight close to 3 times as much as the swift power/drivetrain.

Very bad idea in my opinion.


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If you've ever seen a DSM engine bay, they're cramped. Very cramped.

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Yes, it's cramped in there, but if you ever need to do any major work on it, you remove the intake pipe, the upper intercooler pipe, and radiator, and it is much better - you can stand inside there! :)

On topic though, I think it would be much easier to try to use a subary justy drivetrain or just buy an AWD car that would be worth it. :)


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Whats it matter, hes paying for it to be done so who cares? He obviously has no knowledge himself to do the job.

We could argue all day about how bad or how good DSM's are. DSM's in stock trim suck, reliability wise. You shouldn't have to rebuild a tranny for it to be dependable.

Why swap it anyways when a 1.3L with 250hp can be done a hell of a lot cheaper, it'll be just as unique since our cars are so rare, and be 10x more reliable than any DSM part you could put in?


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Casey wrote:
Whats it matter, hes paying for it to be done so who cares? He obviously has no knowledge himself to do the job.

True.
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We could argue all day about how bad or how good DSM's are. DSM's in stock trim suck, reliability wise. You shouldn't have to rebuild a tranny for it to be dependable.

You don't. DSM transmissions are very strong, if you don't abuse them (power shifting with AWD is VERY BAD, for obvious reasons)
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Why swap it anyways when a 1.3L with 250hp can be done a hell of a lot cheaper, it'll be just as unique since our cars are so rare, and be 10x more reliable than any DSM part you could put in?

I don't know what it takes to make a 1.3L go 250HP with our swifts, but that's because I drive mine for gas mileage, not to race, but I'm sure it would be cheaper :)


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just give you a heads up i hope you dont plan on launching that awd dsm tranny while the trannys are strong the crank is god awful.(can you say crank walk).


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You know what else might be cheaper, easier and quicker to completion? Import a LHD AWD Justy from Europe... rebadged Suzuki. Drop in a turbo'd G13 or G10 and you're done. No muss, no fuss. :razz:

Just don't break it. :lol:


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winez31 wrote:
just give you a heads up i hope you dont plan on launching that awd dsm tranny while the trannys are strong the crank is god awful.(can you say crank walk).


What an uneducated statment. It is people like you that should never open your mouth on something you have no experience with.


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The cranks are about as strong as a toothpick :lol: and so are the transmissions. A couple of hard launches with a modded talon engine... BAM! Then ya gotta figure out if you're picking up pieces of your engine or transmission
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