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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:23 pm 
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Oh, and I tried to get the donor started... got it spinning, but I need more amps... :evil:

Even had grey smoke, which means it was SO close to popping. :x

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Here's the engine's fuel consumption per HP curve (some people on one forum I'm on were wondering about that...):

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Bottom line is fuel consumption for intermittent horsepower. I've run the numbers, and at WOT, the worst I can get at any RPM is 64 MPG. :eek:

RPMs are in steps of 200 on that chart, from 1400 to 3000. Fuel is in steps of 0.05 pounds per bhp per hour, from 0.4 to 0.5. HP is in steps of 2 HP from 8 to 22. Middle set of lines are gross HP, intermittent HP and constant HP. Top set of lines is gross, intermittent and constant torque in steps of 5 ft-lbs, from 30 to 40.

Got the engine running today, FWIW. (And figured out how to get Sprint to give me real QuickTime videos, so that YouTube wouldn't barf all over them. ;))

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jHV4RZsl-bI

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You don't want to know the crazy isht I did to get that engine started.

Something with a multimeter lead shoved in a jumper cable connection, and another to the starter directly. :lol:

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QUICK question here, while I'm thinking about it.

Is there a factory leaded fuel filler neck?

Because that would be a better route than modifying the stock filler neck. ;)

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you'd be hard pressed to find any gas powered car that has a filler pipe that will accept the larger fuel dispenser nozzle after 1974. us federal regs dictated that the fuel filler accept the smaller non-leaded dispenser nozzleon all cars after that year.

maybe an asian or european market car.

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Or a Canadian market car. ;)

It'd probably be off of a Mk1 Swift/Sprint/Firefly.

(I know Canada allowed leaded fuel back then, because VW had Canadian-spec models with no cat that accepted leaded fuel when my car was built.)

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Saw a 96 Mk4 3dr on Craigslist today.

$150. Bad clutch.

Here's the dilemma. 1625-1650 pounds for a Mk2/Mk3 (depending on whether I go XFi or non-XFi). 1808 for a Mk4/5.

That's too heavy.

How well do Mk4/5s strip down? Can I get one down to the same weight level as a Mk2/3 stripped down? Or should I stick with a Mk2/3?

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'89 and '90 MK2s are the lightest. The '91 MK2 gained an extra 50 lbs (not entirely sure where, but it did have some extra soundproofing). I've gotten my 1990 GTi down to approximately 1580 lbs. You should be able to get a Metro much lighter than that, as it won't have the heavier 4 banger under the hood.

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Well, my engine weighs 183, versus 135 for the stock 3-banger.

And, weight differences between the 89/90 and the 91-94 will be fixed, as I'll be totally gutting the interior. :)

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Gasoline Fumes wrote:

Even weighs the same as stock 3-cylinder!

Very tempting...

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel swaps?
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SO how is this project going. I just came up with the idea myself when I was looking at my dads kubota lawn mower. bhtooefr did you ever find a place to make an adapter plate?


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Why modify the fuel filler neck? They have pumps for cars you know? I've owned 3 diesel trucks over half the time the pumps have the small filler pump.

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I think if you want a decent lowmpg diesel engine, you will be needing a direct injected one.

look around for a 1.2 TDI and modify it to use even less diesel... tractor engines are never efficient, so you'll end up being dead slow or not even near your wanted 100 MPG.
that's where the european vw lupo 1.2 tdi can do 75 mpg in stock form.

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I think if you want a decent lowmpg diesel engine, you will be needing a direct injected one.

I'd rather have an IDI engine that's better suited for running on plant oils. :)

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I'd rather have an IDI engine that's better suited for running on plant oils. :)

A friend of mine ran a "pumpeduse" (don't know what it's called in English) VAG 2.0 TDI with 173 bhp on used and filtered pure frying pan oil for about 55.000 miles, then sold the car still in good nick. He did have a heavily modified ECU and heated the oil both electrically and through a warmth exchanging-thing (how do I call that in English :) )

I have no facts to support the statement but the fact the car still ran as fast as it did when he started the project made me sure of how reliable a direct injected diesel engine can be on plant oils :) He didn't go for mpg's since the car was cheap to run anyway. I think he managed about 35 mpg while driving it real hard, ~50 mpg under normal circumstances.

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Here is a Kubota Metro diesel conversion posted from GeoMetroForum.com................

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A member over at Ecomodder.com swapped in a 900cc Kubota 905 3 cylinder 24 hp diesel engine a Geo Metro Convertible. He is currently working out the details of his project and you can read more about it HERE.

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http://geometroforum.com/topic/758729/

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braided wrote:
Gasoline Fumes wrote:
I'd rather have an IDI engine that's better suited for running on plant oils. :)

A friend of mine ran a "pumpeduse" (don't know what it's called in English) VAG 2.0 TDI with 173 bhp on used and filtered pure frying pan oil for about 55.000 miles, then sold the car still in good nick. He did have a heavily modified ECU and heated the oil both electrically and through a warmth exchanging-thing (how do I call that in English :) )

I have no facts to support the statement but the fact the car still ran as fast as it did when he started the project made me sure of how reliable a direct injected diesel engine can be on plant oils :) He didn't go for mpg's since the car was cheap to run anyway. I think he managed about 35 mpg while driving it real hard, ~50 mpg under normal circumstances.

Some people have great luck running the VAG TDIs on oil and others have a lot of trouble. We just call the Pumpeduse "PD" over here. I know a few people running the non-PD TDIs on oil and they're doing great so far, but I think the IDI engines are a little safer.

Heat exchanger :wink:

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Thanks for the translations :) And I agree, it is safer... but I'm always willing to try unsafe experiments as well :lol:

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JohnnyMullet wrote:
Here is a Kubota Metro diesel conversion posted from GeoMetroForum.com................


that's cbx_kim, a member here on teamswift as well.

here's his multiple project thread:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=27580

the diesel 3 banger conversion pics and videos are on page 6.

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