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 Post subject: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:39 pm 
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Hey guys, i have a technical question in need of an answer. I have an 89 T3 with some engine problems i was thinking of swapping. I have a spare 16 valve engine out of a 2000 Metro that runs mint and i was wondering if the swap is possible. I mean, is the wiring harness compatible, motor mounts etc. or do i have to completely change everything? If the swap is possible, is it relatively easy or a major pain in the butt? Cause the stock HP of the 2000 engine is higher than my stock T3 and i wouldn't have to worry about turbo issues and such. Please let me know. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:24 pm 
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I read half of this section and i cannot seem to find an answer. I found about the G13B twin cam engine but not sure about the SOHC one like mine. Is the early G13B block the same as mine?


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:19 pm 
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look in the 1.0l-1.3l sohc section.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:35 pm 
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The newer G13bb uses a very different wiring harness than your old girl.
The block itself will be the same, as far as bolt patterns and mounts go however.
Here to edit my post, I just noticed that you wanted to swap from T3 to G13bb...
The trans mounts and axles, ect are different as the 4 cylinder engine is about 3.3 inches longer, so the transmission must be mounted that same amount (3.3 inches)closer to the left side of the car. Mounts and axles should be easy to find however.
Feel free to ask any further questions, as i've done this swap on a 1988 TurboFly.
I used the entire G13bb engine and complete electrical system to do it. I kept my Mark 1 T3 trans, as the Four pinion diff is a little stronger.

Darcy


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:22 am 
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With a bit of patience it shouldn't be to hard as far as axles, mounts etc. The worst part would be the wiring harness. It can be made to work, it just enters the interior on the wrong side, making it a bit awkward. If you do go ahead I would like to hear how much grief the harness gives you. The 1.3 16v is a pretty zippy engine, it would pull a 89 around pretty easily i think.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:11 am 
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Thanks for the info Mr. Pipe. So it seems like it's going to be a pain in the axx... Is it worth the effort you think? I just figured the 16 valve engine seems to have more balls than my stock T3, and i wouldn't have a turbo to worry about. In addition, i have a G13BB that is not doing anything and only has 100000 kilometers on it.


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:10 pm 
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there's nothing as fun as a t3 tho, once that little lawnmower turbo kicks in, its so damn fun.
a g13b shouldn't be too bad, have to move a mount, i beleive 1 for the tranny (drivers side) and one at the front top of the motor, and switch over the axels and harness/ecu.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:13 pm 
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Another question: Does the G13BB engine bolt up to the T3 transmission or do i need to replace the transmission as well? I'm not worried about the wiring harness and computer, i'm an electronic technician. But if the transmission could bolt up to the G13, that would be great and a lot less effort. But yeah, there is nothing like that little turbo wining up to 6500 RPM...


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:15 am 
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The g13 will bolt up to the trans. No hassles there.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:58 am 
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Ya, the trans is a bolt up. And to those that think a T3 is better than a G13bb...I used to just love driving my T3, then at 12 lbs..even more, then 16-19 lbs with a T25, i was always smiling. Then I put a G13bb into my car with the T25 turbo...i'd never consider the T3 again.
The car just run so sweet, good starting, idle, power, and economy.
...oh, ya, and people still laugh at my little Suzuki, but when gas was up high, i got people trying to offer to buy it almost every visit to the gas pumps.
Now it's gone further, and needs further sorting, but i'll post more about that when warm summer days roll around.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:57 pm 
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That does sound fun indeed. He is dealing with a 2000 16V G13 SOHC, nothing wrong with that, but not quite the same animal as the twin cam. By the way, if you do go ahead with the swap, feel free to pm me if you need parts, brackets etc. I have a ton of these cars and am in Alberta, not to far to send stuff.

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1993 Civic si h22a, fell in my lap, couldn't resist!


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:09 pm 
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My swap ,was a 1999 1.3 16V SOHC engine in the place of a T3 too...same as the 2000 engine.
I've upgraded since then, but i'll still using the complete 1999 wiring harness in my
1988 car.

Darcy


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:36 pm 
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So Darcy, my question to you is: Is the swap worth it? I don't plan to turbo the engine, i just figured it would be just as fast as my T3 without the hassle of a turbo. Am i right?


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:41 pm 
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G10T vs G13BB

You get about the same HP, but the Turbo3 has more torque due to the turbo, but the G13BB has more bottom end grunt.

You will also need to pull all the wiring out of the newer car, transplant it into the older car, change out the engine mounts, change the shift linkage.

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:15 pm 
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i would have to say g10t with 50 shot of nos :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:01 am 
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Well guys... Just got back from the shop and started on the swap today. So far i have the T3 and tranny removed, tomorrow i will be taking out the computer and wiring harness. If the swap is a success, i will post pics when finished. Wish me luck, it will be a pain in the...


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:21 pm 
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whats wrong with the stock t3? and whats so different between the g10t manual tranny and the g13b manual tranny? let me quess one has LSD(diff) and one doesn't?

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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:34 pm 
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I can't say what engine was better for power, as i ran my T-3 with lots of boost, and never ran my G13bb without the turbo. The G13bb is a smoother running engine though.


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 Post subject: Re: ENGINE SWAP QUESTION
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:35 pm 
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Well, i have done some welds that i'm not so proud of and a few other things... but the swap is successfully completed. The car is now WAY faster than with the T3. It's like day and night. I might have a T3 engine for sale soon. It will need a head gasket and a wastegate. That was the reason why i was swapping it. The wastegate broke off when my friend was driving the car, he didn't realize it and blew the head gasket real quick. It might need more but still fires right up and doesn't knock or anything.


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