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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:48 am 
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Whats's up all

I'm going to be placing a 1992 Suzuki Swift Turbo engine in a 1974 Mini. My plan was to do an all swift swap drivetrain and rear hub. I found an engine like I said a 1992 Dohc Turbo. In my area swifts are very rare and the ones i find are too far away to drive too. I am already having to drive two hours to get this engine. I can find a geo metro no problem.

Q. If I get the Swift Engine would I have a problem installing geo tranny and hubs with the swift engine.... If so thanks... If not... what year and tranny would be best out of the metro? I leave in the morning to get the engine. Thanks again Rick


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:05 am 
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Hay sound like a good project. As for tranny's 1.0 liter and 1.3 liter tranny's are interchangeable from 89 to 2000 and that goes for auto's and manuals. As for which one is better it all depends on how your driven it. I like the 1.0 liter 5 speed on the 1.3 but I drive around town mostly, the bottom end is a lot better but it screams on the highway. As for front hubs the gt hubs are the better, if you can't get them hubs of a 1.3 are the next they have one piece bearing and vented rotors. The 1.0 liter hubs and brakes are junk they burn up bearing and warp rotors a lot. They have two bearing and solid rotors. Hope this help.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 pm 
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Zuki709 Thanks alot man. Finally someone answered me. When you say gt hubs I know you mean the swift gt. but 1.3 hubs are both found on the swift and metro right??? asking. Sounds reasonable as for the vented rotors. also I'll be looking for more top end road driving to shows and the track... So i take it the 1.3 tranny is what i need. Thankssssss Rick


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:01 pm 
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Zuki709 Thanks alot man. Finally someone answered me. When you say gt hubs I know you mean the swift gt. but 1.3 hubs are both found on the swift and metro right??? asking. Sounds reasonable as for the vented rotors. also I'll be looking for more top end road driving to shows and the track... So i take it the 1.3 tranny is what i need. Thankssssss Rick


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:38 pm 
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1.3 hubs can be found in basically anything that has a 1.3 and is not a gt(common source would be the 90-94 1.3 sedan model Geo metro). The turbo models used the same one as well. I think the 95+ models would have a suitable hub and brake assembly for what you are building as they use vented rotors as well. I would just use the plentifully available normal geo axles with geo hubs of some sort. You likely would be very happy with the 3cyl trans gearing. Its not that bad, i run it with my 1.3 and it cruises very nicely down the highway and has seen 180-190 kph very easily.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:02 am 
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cody thanks alot man...big help....now I know where I'm going with this lol


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:51 pm 
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Just a couple of comments - mainly so that you're aware of a couple of things.

First - as far as I know - Suzuki never marketed a turbo charged 1.3 DOHC engines Swift, so if someone is selling you the engine out of a "Turbo Swift" you're being misled - people have turbocharged Swifts successfully, but it didn't come out of the factory like that, so you could be buying anything from a flawlessly running turbo GT to someone's frankenstine project that never ran right.

In short - approach this as if you're the one adding the turbocharger and expect to have to iron out the quirks that arise - you're going to have to iron out the quirks related to the Swift/Mini swap anyway, so just expect a few more.

Second - please don't try to use a "non GT" transmission (from either the 1.0 or the 1.3 - with the exception of the final drive, they are the same transmission) on a Gti engine, much less a turbo charged Gti engine - you'll just end up breaking it.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:20 am 
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I dont agree on the trans thing. Ideally, yes a gt trans would be best if possible. But i think behind a non-turbo engine you wont have an issue with the other trans options. How its driven is a big factor there. If a normal trans is not powershifted, clutch drops, etc it will survive a good deal of spirited driving, as long as its treated with respect.
My 1.3 16v with a decent amount of mods(cam etc) runs with a stock gt and my car is heavier. I use a 95 4.39 trans and it has been fine with that power output(i think i have more torque, less horsepower than the gt engine judging by side by side races).

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:53 am 
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Hey sorry for the short post last time. I know I maybe a little uneducated ref. Suzuki parts and swaps but you all are giving me plenty to think about. Thanks for the info on the turbo (I located it at a salvage yard where they state they removed it from the vehicle so I dono what to expect lol). The engine is cheap so I will have leadway on working with the turbo if needed. Would you recommend a non turbo or if I have the opion to go with the turbo? As far as the tranny from reading this I guess all of you agree that they do match up.

So the question is if I can't find a gt (and for now I can't close enough to go get it). Should I go with a non gt tranny 1.0 or 1.3. If so I need to see if it will hold up for the type of driving I will be doing correct ?

Well mainly am looking for a stronger engine than the Mini has. Fast also...and more dependable thats a non vtec swap. I would like to say I don't plan on racing the car (and I don't) but I will be getting on it every once in a while. I do plan on rebuilding the engine and if I do go in to the engine then pistons will be bored over and cams will be replaced. I feel comfortable that the engine turbo mix is a working unit. also just making sure we agree that no matter if I go with the gt.. 1.0..or the 1.3 tranny I should use at lest the 1.3 hubs from 90 - 94 or any hubs off the merto after 95 the key is they have better bearings and vented rotors right ?

Thanks both of you for your input. I am looking more forward to this build everyday.

Thanks Rick


(add says 1992 suzuki swift engine FWD,DOHC,TURBO,MT-95 K)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:07 am 
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i think you will be in for a surprise when you see the engine. At best it will be a gt engine, at worst, a 1.3 sohc. There is a vagueness to that description, so take it with a grain of salt. Hopefully it is a gt, the mention of dohc is likely accurate. On the off chance it is a 3cyl turbo, that would be a great powertrain for your project as well, will turn your mini into a tire smoker :P
You want a 1.0 trans 95+ years if you can't find a gt trans. This will give you 4.39 final drive ratio. It will be perfect in a mini, lots of revs with the dohc engine will make it fun to drive. How many hp did the minis come with? My grandfather loved those cars and i have fond memories of zooming around at breakneck speed in them as a kid! Felt fast then. The swift gt reminds me of those cars a bit.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:30 pm 
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Well I am pretty sure it's a "twin cam" after the guy confirmed it was a turbo he walked down to check the engine out personally. He said it was a twin cam with a turbo and had the wiring harness with it. I will double check... they have two to pick from anyways here is the link tell me what ya think. I think not 100% the mini puts out around 80 - 90 bhp stock.
My little mini will do around 80 mph without too much strain over that you can feel the little engine vibrate pritty hard.
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Year
Part
Model Description Miles Part
Grade Stock# US
Price Dealer Info Dist
mile
1989
Engine
Suzuki Swift FWD,1.3L,5SP,GTI-109 K 109,000 A 101053 $400 M & W Auto Parts Inc. USA-SC(Clover) Request_Quote 803-222-4586 / 800-845-9692 Request_Insurance_Quote
83
1989
Engine
Suzuki Swift FWD,1.3L,5SP,GTI-109 K 109,000 A 101053 $400 M & W Auto Parts Inc. USA-SC(Clover) Request_Quote 803-222-4586 / 800-845-9692 Request_Insurance_Quote
83
1992
Engine
Suzuki Swift FWD,DOHC,TURBO,MT-95 K 95,000 A 100624 $400 M & W Auto Parts Inc. USA-SC(Clover) Request_Quote 803-222-4586 / 800-845-9692 Request_Insurance_Quote
83
1989
Engine
Suzuki Swift DOHC-1.3L TWN CAM 58K-USED 11Q033 $700 67 Motors USA-NC(Pfafftown) Request_Quote 1-800-682-6830 Request_Insurance_Quote
165


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:37 pm 
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One more thing that may help. Did 3 cyl come "dohc" ? If not then I know it's a 4 cyl.
ok so a run down on what I need.


gt dohc
1.0 or 1.3 tranny out of a metro will do...but gt is better
hubs off of a 95 or newer metro or swift 1.3 hubs lager and vented better bearings.
the turbo is a bonus but not needed. Some 3 cyl did come with turbo..

If the engine is a 3 cyl Turbo might be just as good?

Thanks again Rick


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:38 pm 
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3 cylinder didn't come in DOHC stateside, only SOHC and some models with turbos. In certain markets, (europe?) Suzuki made a little car called the Cappuccino. It was a DOHC 3 cylinder.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:53 am 
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there's something suspicious about this ad, they say they have 2 to choose from, are they both turbo?


3 cylinder turbos weren't available in 1992, and to my knowledge, G10s never came with a DOHC head in any country.

the 2 firsts, hmm could be DOHC, but likely SOHC engines.
So many listings are wrong on these cars, How many times did I see a Swift GS for sale stating it was a 1.6L DOHC 16v engine when in fact it was the stock 1.3 8v :roll:

i'd buy the last one, only 57K 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:10 pm 
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The DOHC 3 cylinder wasn't a G10. The G10 is 993cc's (?) and the Cappuccino engine is 657cc's, and factory turbocharged. Good luck with the engines, if the price is right and the miles are low I would still consider one.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:36 pm 
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yeah but you won't find a F6A engine at the wreckers :wink:

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