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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:42 pm 
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Ok I did search and found more questions than answers,

Will a sami block bolt in a Swift GTi with a GTi 16v head? :huh:
What would compression be? Higher or lower? (lower I'd guess)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:24 am 
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bump:) i like to know too cause i have the 1324cc in my swift mk1 gs.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:37 am 
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nobody got answers? ... at least a suggestion?

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Ok I bought a 90 fuel injected sami to find out,... :lol: but the answer is.... there are differences.
1. My 1987 Sami has a G13A 1324cc that is missing bosses for motor mounts and axle mounts.
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2. However my 1990 Sami with Fuel Injection has a G13B 1298cc in it :o :huh:
and it DOES HAVE all the bosses for the Swift right front mount and axle bracket.

so.... is it factory? :huh: who knows... its getting a bigger motor anyway, so its going in my Swift GTi. I miss drivin her

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:44 pm 
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So to clarify from what I found the G13A 1324cc - no Swift bosses
the motor in my 1990 samurai - G13B 1298cc - has both sami and Swift bosses for all brackets yeah :D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:37 am 
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one thing...
seems like lot of people call all sohc and dohc the G13B
i always knew them as G13BA for 1.3 sohc from 89 and on
before 89= G13A
G13B = Swift GTI/GT :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:15 pm 
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Are there differences in the cyl heads on these 1298 & 1324 engines? I have a friend with a 1986 Suzuki Samurai with 1.3L engine and his cylinder head is toasted. We're having a hard time finding a replacement, and were wondering if the Metro/Swift 1.3L would work?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:23 pm 
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Should be the same

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:49 pm 
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chadzeilenga wrote:
Are there differences in the cyl heads on these 1298 & 1324 engines? I have a friend with a 1986 Suzuki Samurai with 1.3L engine and his cylinder head is toasted. We're having a hard time finding a replacement, and were wondering if the Metro/Swift 1.3L would work?


may need to rig up an electric fuel pump and swap the cam.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:28 am 
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So we found a clean low mile 95-96 metro in the yard with a G13B motor in it so we decided to pull the head, but once we got home ran into a few problems.

The samurai head has a gear on the end of the cam to drive the distributor, so swapping the cams is a definite.
The Metro head uses roller rockers, not sure if these will work with the samurai cam. It is supposedly a high-lift
The metro head has a coolant passage on the backside where the thermostat went, going to have to block this off.
The cam sprocket on the metro head, has a different type of profile to accept the timing belt, so these will need to be swapped as well.
The combustion chambers on the metro head look shallower than the samurai version. A little worried about valve clearance, but will probably test fit everything and check for clearance with the pistsons.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:11 am 
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You should have grabbed the 89-94 head.

The Samurai cam will not work.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:20 pm 
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I guess if I had seen a 89-94 head, I would have grabbed it ha ha.

What won't work about the cam. Can I just swap over the cam & valvetrain to the new head?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:54 am 
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You may be able to swap over the whole rocker setup, but offhand, I don't know if it will fit.

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have you gotten anywhere with this?

anyway, i think that you may need to fab a block off plate for the rear near the dizzy on the metro head for it to work.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:18 pm 
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Due to all of the issues we ecountered, we just ended up swapping the valves & springs only. It was fine after that.


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ok so the block looks like it will bolt in, and the head will bolt on to the block.
But will the valves clear the pistons? Image

I bolted the head on with a used head gasket and put timing belt on, then rotated crank. No contact.
all this is out of the car, pulled head back off. Cut a cardboard disc 2.2mm thick and smaller than th bore, laid it on the piston.
popped the head back on, belt, rotated. ... Back apart..., seen contact of the valves on the cardboard. SO .... :huh: will this at high rpm self destruct?

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:53 am 
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oh posted more pics in my album, so take a look...

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:59 am 
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Use some modelers clay.
That will tell you exactly how much clearance you have.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:15 pm 
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yeah, thats a good idea.

1 What if I cut the piston tops to clear, Are they thick enough?

2 Or thicker headgasket, I was planning a turbo in the future.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:22 pm 
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Has any body run this combo, GTI head on top of SOHC pistons?

I'm thinking if th GTi is already an interference engine, this is too close for comfort.
But I really want my Swifter back on the road :huh:

I'll try to find think thickest headgasket out there. Any sugg?

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From what I've seen in other threads here, you have to get the 16v pistons(there are low compression options including vitara pistons I believe) or the valves will hit the top of the pistons, the 4 indents are there for a reason, and this is an interference so yeah its a bad thing. Get a set of pistons, thy aren't that expensive, and relatively easy to put in. Plus you will know for sure that bottom end will be in top shape.

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PostPosted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:17 pm 
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Yeah I decided to pop the 2v pistons out, and just run the 4v
pistons I already have. Both blocks are bored the same, so just have to let the rings wear in. chech my album, just added more pics

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:05 pm 
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Well I removed the GTi pistons and rods, and then the same on the SOHC block.
I then seen that the wrist pins and rods were diff.
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So I put the GTi piston and rod assembly In the SOHC block together. Not the rod that were on the crank to start with. I don't like to mix and match rotating assemblies but, I'll see how long it last.Image
GTI rod on Left, Thicker and larger bearing support.
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G13BA SOHC block from my Samurai

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:59 am 
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How it last.... well the rods didn't match up with the crank tight enough.
Its ticking already, well be knocking if I keep running it. So I need a GTi bottom end.

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