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 Post subject: V6 metro, not mine
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:09 am 
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Found on Craigslist, in Ariziona.

In case it expires first, heres the pics, and dude's #. contact robert @ 623-218-3110
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And, the ad.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/1510082567.html

Looks like a 3.8 GM engine. Just beggin' for a S/C 3.8.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:14 am 
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That guy had been advertising it on and off for over a year now . If it had good engine installed I would consider finishing that project . This way , with that sad GM 3.8 lump , it's just not worth it .


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:21 am 
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I was just browsing Pheonix's craigslist, because I hate Illinois winters. I bet it's still rust free. Well, buy it and put in a Caddy 4.9 or 4.6 DOHC. I'd finish it if I could afford it. I bet it'd be a biotch to pull the motor in that thing.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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crazyman wrote:
I bet it'd be a biotch to pull the motor in that thing.


Not sure about that.... bet you it would come out the bottom not that bad a la vw bug.....

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Coooooooool! I'd take it if it was in Costa Rica. Junk the V6 and throw in a cosworth V6

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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Rallyswift wrote:
Coooooooool! Junk the V6 and throw in a cosworth V6


Ditto on that!!


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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What's so bad about the 3800/l32? They're an extremely reliable engine. There are also tons of aftermarket items for it.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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z34-5speed wrote:
What's so bad about the 3800/l32? .

Heavy cast iron lump!
Not saying anything wrong with it as a regular car engine, but when considering performance, there are a lot of all aluminum engines with much better performance potential.


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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z34-5speed wrote:
What's so bad about the 3800/l32? They're an extremely reliable engine. There are also tons of aftermarket items for it.




Everything . Besides the weight and sad output numbers its attached to automatic tranny that's equally sad . Why would you want to invest all that effort building car like it ? Why not use Jap lump with half the weight , twice the output and 5 or now even 6 speed tranny . Then you would end up with something impressive . That way you would not start selling your unfinished project for $4500 and end up on $2K and still no one even bothers asking one question about it let alone making an offer


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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For me there is only one home brew car that is worth seeing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSJUOyeH8A Andy Burton from England is the MAN and a Euro touring car Cosworth V6 in the car...just listen to the engine.....Music Michael Jackson can't even come close to!!

If I had enough time I would drop a V6 Jap engine or mid mount a Subie STI .....Check out MG Metro 6R4

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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too bad he used a GM POS. otherwise cool.
personally for a V8 i would go with the DOHC 4.6 lincoln over the caddy. i like reliability. :lol:


ive thought about doing something similar with my 96 using either a 6G72TT or VQ3xDE. just gotta figure out shifting as i wouldnt want to use an auto.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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[quote="VR4"]too bad he used a GM POS. otherwise cool.
personally for a V8 i would go with the DOHC 4.6 lincoln over the caddy. i like reliability.quote] I have a Towncar with the 4.6 SOHC and I wish I had a caddy with a northstar but I like power :lol: Oh and have you ever tried working on one of these? Damn near have to remove the pass side cylinder head to replace the EGR valve :shock: Wasn't a fun time :( Don't get me wrong, I beat the hell out of this towncar and it takes it but with only 210hp and 270ft/lbs I rather have the 300hp and 290ft/lbs :twisted: Oh and it would be a Cadillac 8)

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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VR4 wrote:
too bad he used a GM POS. otherwise cool.
personally for a V8 i would go with the DOHC 4.6 lincoln over the caddy. i like reliability.quote] I have a Towncar with the 4.6 DOHC and I wish I had a caddy with a northstar but I like power :lol: Oh and have you ever tried working on one of these? Damn near have to remove the pass side cylinder head to replace the EGR valve :shock: Wasn't a fun time :( Don't get me wrong, I beat the hell out of this towncar and it takes it but with only 210hp and 270ft/lbs I rather have the 300hp and 290ft/lbs :twisted: Oh and it would be a Cadillac 8)


That's because the Lincoln Towncar's never came factory with a 4.6 DOHC they came with 4.6 SOHC. He never said Towncar, but the Lincoln MarkVIII came with DOHC around 290hp/290tq depending on year and model. The other good thing about the DOHC and even SOHC is you can pull good HP/TQ #'s if you know what your doing. As far as the egr I agree, its not easy to get to. On the Crown Victoria 4.6 SOHC it's easier to just take off the hood.


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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put my modded 4.6 sohc engine in your metro(better be prepared to do alot of chasis/suspension mods)....



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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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Did I hit a detour on the information superhighway & end up in the Corvair forum? The "V6 metro" looks like a giant step backwards to this Metro fan, who started driving SAAB 3Bangers over 40 years ago. The SAAB had outstanding heat, defrost, handling & room. It had amazing JEEP like traction & ground clearance, allowing it to drive thru unplowed snow in hayfields. I drove the 1st VW Rabbit FWDs, back when VW began abandoning rear engine design. Was that '75?

My big Sister's 1st car was a dreadful Baby Puke green VW Bug. No heat, no defrost, no handling, no room. People thought they had good traction in snow b/c they so easily slid off the road you got many chances to grind back onto the road, which they were good at. Had a girl friend w/Corvair vert that was fun in city traffic. Only driven a couple of Porches & a Fiero since, but remain underwelmed by rear layouts. The "V6 metro" concept leaves me wondering why bother hacking up an old Metro-when its so easy to pick up a decent Fiero for cheap?

Its a Frankenstein ride that reminds me of the VW Bug Trikes. However not radical enough w/o a Modular V8? Maybe this is the Tucker forum? Of course I'm biased, primarily interested in 3 cylinder Metro.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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The bi-turbo is much better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fegti9i ... re=related


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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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put my modded 4.6 sohc engine in your metro(better be prepared to do alot of chasis/suspension mods)....

A little too quite for me, or at least from the video it sounds that way. My Towncar has a little more rummble at idle, unless it's just the video. Manifold back 2-1/4 pipe high flow cats and 3 chamber flowmasters, sounds pretty good though I wish I would've used 2 chambers :twisted: What mods have you done to your 4.6? Mine is stock minus the exhaust and K&N filter. It does move better than I thought it would even with just under 200,000 miles on it. Wish it was an ODBII though, check engine light is on and it's not showing any codes on a scanner and if I jump it, the codes it flashes don't make any sense but it runs great, gets 21-23 mpg, and not due for a smog for another year so it doesn't bother me too much. Not bad for a $400 car :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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The Mid-mounted route is a good option if you have the time and knowledge to do it. Renault did it with the R5 and Clio as factory cars. The mid-mount engine is as close as you can get to a 4WD option but this is based on a lightweight engine configuration and not some big heavy Yank V6/V8 lump. If done right this set up can be awesome or if done wrong a handful to drive but best left for competition use.

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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actually i was referring to using the continential DOHC 4.6 since its already set up for FWD.

they can also be found for pennies.

have i worked on one? yup. ford dealer tech for 8 years. currently have an 03 cobra and 95 mark viii. both are much tighter than any SOHC V8.

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I would do a LS motor. I dont know about a Ls1 but a ls series. With a LS1 they are doing heads, cam, and getting in low 11s in a 3400lb firebird and camaro and add a 125-150 shot of nitrous and they are doing low 10s on stock bottom ends. The 4.6s I havent been impressed with the 5.4 was much better and those are the ones they boost. But thats just me. So a $2k motor and 8s or 9s. Thanks Stephen


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ford didnt supercharge the 4.6?



news to me.


BTW.....you wont find a 5.4 that can be easily transverse mounted.

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ford didnt supercharge the 4.6?



news to me.


BTW.....you wont find a 5.4 that can be easily transverse mounted.
That motor's so big I'd don't how you'd fit it, not to mention the trans :wink:

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I would do a LS motor. I dont know about a Ls1 but a ls series. With a LS1 they are doing heads, cam, and getting in low 11s in a 3400lb firebird and camaro and add a 125-150 shot of nitrous and they are doing low 10s on stock bottom ends. The 4.6s I havent been impressed with the 5.4 was much better and those are the ones they boost. But thats just me. So a $2k motor and 8s or 9s. Thanks Stephen
Find an LS4 or you could use a Porsche GT 3 IIRC transaxle and use any LS1/2/3/6/7/9/A but you gotta pay to play $$$. Let's face it if you had the money you wouldn't build a Geo. So for the money that 3800 will probably move that thing pretty good. Probably get pretty good gas mileage too, well better than the car the motor came out of ;)

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 Post subject: Re: V6 metro, not mine
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Is the car FWD? The picture isn't zoomed out enough to tell. I would say it's rear engine mount, rear wheel drive. Look at all the sheet metal fab in the hatch, and the extended rear wheels.

Maybe?


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Is the car FWD? The picture isn't zoomed out enough to tell. I would say it's rear engine mount, rear will drive. Look at all the sheet metal fab in the hatch, and the extended rear wheels.

Maybe?
Well it's a front wheel drive motor/trans just mounted in the rear of the metro.

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personally if i was gonna put any engine in... It would either be the stage 5 race motor from suzukird or a 4agze :)


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