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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:23 pm 
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I've searched around and keep getting the same response for an engine swap into a Chevy sprint 1.0L. Swapping an 1.3L 8v sohc engine will basically mount up to existing engine mounts but trans mount needs to be moved. No that big of an issue.

The other kicker is that everyone keeps telling me the axles need to be switched for different axles to compensate for the extra cylinder (added length) of the block. There are no existing axles in the US that I have found. But there are axles in Australia! These are for Holden Barinas ML and MB series. Also Swifts from AU. I have found there is a mess of them over there ranging in price from $80 USD to $150 a single unit. Now the question is will they fit the sprint? Says they fit model year 85-88. Which is basically any model MK1 out there right? :huh:

Question is will they work in my 1987 if I install the 1.3L and trans? What other suspension work would be needed to fit these axles? If any? And what is the difference in fuel pressures with the 1.3L over the 1.0L? Is a fuel pump needed and a pressure regulator? I plan on just going carb and no EFI system at first. Any help would be greatly accepted. Like anything I would need to do the conversion. And what are shipping rates from the AU to the US.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:31 am 
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You should try looking in Canada for those axles. That car was available here with that motor. Although those parts are probably long gone, you never know.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:38 pm 
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Well I looked at the Canada market and only found used ones. AU has new replacement parts (NOS).

May check and see if I can search parts chain stores there. What are some parts chain stores in Canada I could look at to see if there are OEM replacement parts?

Also does anyone know what the gas mileage of a 1.3L sohc is? Just wondering. If and when I start this build I'm not going to worry too much about MPG since I'm going to turn it into a race car. :mrgreen:

I wanted to add that this seems to be the most logical choice over the 1.3L dohc. I think the American market should have offered this car in a 1.3L sohc and even more so the 1.3L dohc. We got the shXt end of the stick here. With no GTi versions. OR even GL versions.
I think a 1.3L sprint should have been offered. Another cool thing is there are many parts here in the US for the 1.3L Sohc (Samurai engine) To give it some power. Not a whole lot for the 1.0L. In the way of aftermarket or OEM.

Again any help in getting me closer to my goal is a plus!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:33 pm 
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A better choice would be the 98-01 1.3 SOHC

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:09 pm 
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Are you sure that 1.3 was an option in '85-88 cars in Canada? I really dont think so, and can't see stock axles being available here for that specific application. That said, if you swap in a 1.3 it really should be a gt or 1.3 16v sohc version in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:27 pm 
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100%. I've seen them.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:54 pm 
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I've seen one badged 1.3 here in Canada too, but never got close enough to verify...Super, be sure to grab those axles when you see them...should be real easy to sell to Team Swift members.
BTW, the 1986-1988 1.3 SOHC axles have tripod style (weak) joints on the inside at least, and the DOHC ones used Zappa Joints inner and outer (stronger, but still too weak for drag racing with slicks)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Mr.Pipe wrote:
I've seen one badged 1.3 here in Canada too, but never got close enough to verify...Super, be sure to grab those axles when you see them...should be real easy to sell to Team Swift members.
BTW, the 1986-1988 1.3 SOHC axles have tripod style (weak) joints on the inside at least, and the DOHC ones used Zappa Joints inner and outer (stronger, but still too weak for drag racing with slicks)

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And I'm thinking the cross member is set back a bit.
That reminds me, Little Miss Perfect in Nova Scotia still owes me for that NA cross member I sent her last year.
Guess we're talking road trip.
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She won't pay up, we'll take it out in trade.

Use that 16 valve 1.3 L our Moderator mentioned.
Lots of torque, easy to find parts.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:19 pm 
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I'd love to do the 1.3L dohc. But that involves moving the engine mounts, correct? That's a bit of welding. I don't have welding equipment. Transmission mount should require much in the way of that. Also the DOHC engine I did find locally was far more expensive than my budget could afford. Think it was/is a G13K. It's what it was listed as.

Anyway the 1.3L SOHC 8v can be found pretty easy around these parts. And found a complete engine (long block) for $200. Including EFI system. Also trans for $200. And again a weber 32/36 and intake manifold for 1.3L for $75. All in all the most expensive parts going to be the axles. Which I fear shipping from AU is going to be pricy.

Another question. Will the stock 1.0L shift linkage and other stock components work on the 1.3L?

The least amount of money I can spend the better.

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BBM

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1994 Geo Metro base 1.0 3cyl 993cc (Had to sell)
1996 Geo Tracker 1.6l 16v 4cyl 1590cc (Daily)


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:47 pm 
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Mark 1 with a G13, ...after you've moved the trans over 84mm left, you can move the shifter link rod stud to another location on the trans, the boss, and hole are there, but you will likely need to thread it.
(10mm X 1.25 tap required)
The actual shift linkage rods will fit with little change, maybe a little bend. You can also use 4 cylinder shift linkage from a newer swift. I think mine has a 2000 shifter and linkage in it.
The right side axle stub shaft support is a bit of an issue if you're using the mark 1 trans, as the axle location is different on the trans from Mark 1, to all of the newer versions. The bracket that bolts to the back of the block can be reworked if you're handy with fabrication skills.


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