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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:04 pm 
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More progress today.

Cleaned oil pan:
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Cylinder 1:
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Cylinder 2:
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Cylinder 3:
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Pistons:
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Also took the cylinder head apart, expect for the valve guides. I may drop off the head at a machine shop for them to take care of that. Went to Autozone and bought a tube of valve grinding compound. I have all the pistons soaking in solvent tonight. I'll remove the rings tomorrow and clean up any remaining carbon deposits.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:23 pm 
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Solvent?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:24 pm 
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I also purchased this set of hollow punches from Harbor Freight:
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My goal with the punches is to enlarge the oil drainage hole on the head gasket. I won't go real big.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:28 pm 
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Phil N Ed wrote:
Solvent?


Yeah, I forget the name of it. It's similar to Super Clean, still a degreaser though.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:00 pm 
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Be wary, a lot of those degreasers will eat aluminum. :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:59 am 
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Ok, thanks. In the future I'll stick with Kerosene.

I just came from a machine shop. They told me they need the new valves in order to correctly install the new valve guides. Something about the inside diameter of the guides need to be drilled to match the valve stems. Has anyone heard of this?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:44 am 
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Ok, thanks. In the future I'll stick with Kerosene.

I just came from a machine shop. They told me they need the new valves in order to correctly install the new valve guides. Something about the inside diameter of the guides need to be drilled to match the valve stems. Has anyone heard of this?


They ream them out basically. It's usually just a quick once through to make sure the bore of the guides are still proper, and to deburr/taper them.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:55 pm 
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Got the cylinders honed and prep'd the block for the new head gasket.

Also, just rec'd the new water pump and new rod bearings from partsdinosaur.com.

I forgot to order a new Felpro valve cover gasket. Got to do that next.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:21 pm 
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I weighed the pistons/rods:

cylinder 1: 1 lb 9 1/8 oz
cylinder 2: 1 lb 9 oz
cylinder 3: 1 lb 9 1/8 oz

Is there a benefit if I perform a DIY balance? And where do I remove material from? I'm thinking the rod end cap gets the treatment.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:12 am 
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As for a great engine cleaning, carbon removing Solvent, that does an excellent job, easy on the skin if overly exposed, clean for the environment and can be used over and over if you save it. "SIMPLE GREEN"

On your piston balance, so easy to do why not? but you do need a fairly accurate scale. I'm doing a full bore rebuild on my 86 and plan to do y pistons.

Here's any easy to follow guideline for the balance

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good luck and enjoy the project

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:09 am 
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Aw Simple Green, looked at it sitting there on the shelf and passed it by. I'll check out the link.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:00 am 
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I just re-weighed those pistons/rods:
#1: 694 grams
#2: 692
#3: 696

So there is a little bit of work to do.

I dropped off the cylinder head with a local shop. They are going to machine the new valves and the head. I decided against hand lapping them.

Next step - I need to look up how to find the rod bearing numbers that are stamped on the block. They are stamped aren't they?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:34 pm 
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I installed just one oil control ring for you guys to see the gap. Don't mind how its placed. But, does it look like a reasonable fitment? I'm sure it's not something I can control. But does it look correct? It at least moves around freely on the piston.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:29 pm 
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Here's another look. Old oil control ring on the left, new on the right. They are obviously not the same. Was I sent the wrong part?

Edit: Just noticed something else! The old 1st and 2nd rings are the same thickness. My new 2nd ring will not fit the current gap in the piston. There is no way.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:30 pm 
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I think I just figured it out. Per rockauto.com, the 2000 Metro 1.3 uses either:

1st ring/ 2nd ring/ Oil control
1.2/ 1.2/ 2.5
1.2/ 1.5/ 2.8

My 1.0 block has pistons that use the 1.2/1.2/2.5 ring set. No wonder the other set doesn't work well. Did someone in the past stick 1.3 pistons into the 1.0 block? Now I have to wonder what difference to expect in compression ratio..................mystery.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:20 pm 
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The oil ring gap is very incorrect. I have done 3cyl engines up to 99 and know they all use the same rings 89-99. The 1.3 did change in 98, they must have changed ring thickness at that time. The 89-97 1.3's use the same rings as the 1.0, I know that. Did you land up with a 3 or 4cyl ring set? Not sure why that oil ring sits so poorly on the piston, maybe a thickness issue?, the bore should be the same.

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Are those the right pistons?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:02 am 
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that is a good question, I have never seen a 3cyl with the same thickness ring on both top rings. The 1.3 16v piston would have 4 valve reliefs in it and full floating(circlips rather than pressed in pins). The only thing I wonder about is if the last years of the g10 used different pistons, as I have never done a 2000+ model engine.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:20 am 
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Hmm... they could of changed em right at the end. Odd but it's possible.

Because that piston has the newer ring setup, just by eyeballing. Looks like you need a 98-01 1.3 ring set.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:37 am 
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Phil N Ed wrote:
Are those the right pistons?


That's what I'm wondering. The 1.3 uses the same bore but different stroke. Wish I could find piston dimensions differences between the 1.0 and 1.3. Or is the stroke difference all in the rod dimensions?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:14 am 
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count the valve reliefs. They are not full floating pistons, They have pressed in pins. I can see that from the picture. If they have some weird ring thickness the 1.3 rings way work though.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:16 am 
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Hmm... they could of changed em right at the end. Odd but it's possible.

Because that piston has the newer ring setup, just by eyeballing. Looks like you need a 98-01 1.3 ring set.


Yup, just put in the order with partsdinosaur.com, great guy to work with. Highly recommended.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:18 am 
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count the valve reliefs. They are not full floating pistons, They have pressed in pins. I can see that from the picture. If they have some weird ring thickness the 1.3 rings way work though.


My pistons have 2 spots for valve reliefs. So, they are the right pistons? I just want to be sure that the original stroke is retained. Wouldn't want to go lower than 9.5:1 comp ratio.

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oldman wrote:
codyb76 wrote:
count the valve reliefs. They are not full floating pistons, They have pressed in pins. I can see that from the picture. If they have some weird ring thickness the 1.3 rings way work though.


My pistons have 2 spots for valve reliefs. So, they are the right pistons? I just want to be sure that the original stroke is retained. Wouldn't want to go lower than 9.5:1 comp ratio.


Pressed pins and they look like mickey mouses? Then yes they are the right ones.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:32 am 
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Got the new rings in from partsdinosaur, excellent service and prices!

New oil control rings (on the right) fit and all is well with the world:
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I want to verify on how to fit the 2nd ring, here it is showing the markings, can I presume this faces up? My drawing is to show the cutout opposite the markings:
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