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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:28 am 
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What was it that changed to add 200 pounds to the 95 and newer hatchbacks? I know airbags but that is only like 50lbs.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:49 am 
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All that nothing adds up to something. I bet it's mostly safety related equipment and other small bits and pieces.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:05 am 
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Heavier seats, heavier 13" wheels and tires, heavier dash, think door beams are stronger and heavier, more sound deadening throughout, bigger brakes, 2 added sway bars. There's actually a surprising amount of little differences.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:10 am 
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Body/Chassis wise essentially EVERYTHING "changed" for '95.

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What was it that changed to add 200 pounds to the 95 and newer hatchbacks?


The total redesign of "the 95 and newer hatchbacks" sought to address passenger safety issues & dispell a perception these little cars were Death Traps. To that end "the 95 and newer hatchbacks" are substantially stronger & also, I believe, marginally larger than earlier version.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:56 am 
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So as far as racing purposes with everything gutted besides chasis and body the mk 4/5 would be far superior and weigh almost the same

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:33 pm 
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You still need a rollcage for racing so I don't see why bother.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:45 pm 
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No roll cage required. 2" vertical behind driver seat and 2" spreader bar behind driver. 4" c channel on doors.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:28 pm 
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That doesn't make it safe.


I assume this is some fairgrounds circle track crap. That kind of "safety" would never fly in a real sanctioned event.

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sledgehammer wrote:
No roll cage required. 2" vertical behind driver seat and 2" spreader bar behind driver. 4" c channel on doors.


Yeah sounds like an entry level short track class.I wouldn't risk my neck with that level of "safety" gear,having the roof collapse on you when the vertical pole behinde your head simply pushes to the side with the rest of the roof structure is gonna hurt.

The '95 is a bigger car,I have a bolt in cage from a mk 1 in mine and fits perfect from the main hop back but the front down bars are about 6 inches short of where they should be.In other words they simply added the lenght to the middle.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:00 pm 
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VR4 wrote:
That doesn't make it safe.


I assume this is some fairgrounds circle track crap. That kind of "safety" would never fly in a real sanctioned event.


I say bring it on! We need more entry level racing events like that. Circle tracks are usually reasonable with the safety gear. That one of the reasons it's such a good racing deal.

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You're were trying to account for 200 added lbs.

I believe that '95 & up Metro being "substantially stronger" & marginally larger" accounts for much of that added weight.

sledgehammer wrote:
So as far as racing purposes with everything gutted besides chasis and body the mk 4/5 would be far superior and weigh almost the same


Would need to study the specific racing rules to being to guess what might be "far superior...So far as racing purposes".

Once saw pics of a '95 & up Metro 'Baja Racer' that was pretty wild. In such a race class I'd think being substantially stronger might "be far superior". Then again, a big chunk of 200 lbs could be fuel?

Can definitely feel effect of under 200 lb passenger in an Old 3 Banger.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:26 am 
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From a racing point of view, much easier to start out light and add strength and weight when needed, much harder to add lightness later on, if you don't make minimum class weight then at least you can add balast and lower the centre of gravity.

As for weight, a 180lb passenger costs me about 2.5 secs over a 2 mile track.


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The vertical is welded to the spreader bar there for it doesnt tip over. And the hornet class at evergreen doesnt do just an oval track. They do half the lap is on 1/4 mi track the go through a 50ft (there's fun part) access road to the 3/8 mi track and they share the same straight of way. There is also a stinger 8 class where basically same rules, hornet cars race the figure eight track.

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