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 Post subject: To Be Or Not To Be
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:55 am 
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Hello Everybody :D

Look what just thawed out of the ice and rolled into my driveway:

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I saw this old skool MK1 sitting in a lot for about a year now. I knew it had a 5 speed in it, so I finally decided to buy it with intentions of using it as a parts car. The engine is seized, but I was most interested in stripping all the components needed to convert my Firefly to a Manual Transmission.

I finally had a good look at the car once I got it home and decided I'd snap a few pics. After further examination, I realized that this car is not as bad as I might have thought it out to be. It has its ups and downs, but it is definitely more structurally sound than my Firefly was when I first bought it, only it has a seized engine in the place of the Firefly's initially seized tranny.

The rust seems minimal for a car of this region with over 200000K on the clock. The rocker panels are free of any holes, the underside of the car looks like it had been cleaned regularly, and there are no apparant dents in the side panels, roof, hood, doors, or hatch. The car definitely has some surface rust and small holes in the fenders, though there is a lot more material left than what I had to work with on the Firefly.

The glass is free of any cracks except the passenger mirror is broken. The front bumper is about ready to give, but seems repairable and the headlight shroud needs repair, but all the pieces are there. There is a dent under the rear bumper, it's missing a windsheild wiper, but the suspension seems okay though probably needs a front wheel alignment.

I really wanted to swap components from this car to the Firefly, but the Firefly seems far more corroded than this car is (I'd be ashamed to post pics of the underside of the Firefly). I like the Firefly, but it runs and drives as it is. I almost feel like it would be a shame to tear this senior sprint apart. Perhaps what it deserves is a modified restoration :wink:

I cannot seem to make up my mind on this one. I'll need your help to determine the fate of this Sprint. Let me know what you think I should do. I'm open to any advice.


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"nice" looks like an 85???
remember if you do the swap you'll need
to take a sawsall to the under carage right

next to the cross member theres a corner that has to be notched
for the shift linkage rod will clear (I can get a picture)
other then that you need the neutral saftey switch off the AT

I just took it off tranny set it to neutral tie rap it out of the way
don't forget the peddles assmbly
make a hole through firewall for cutch cable
you'll also need the ECM the AT ECM wont work

A few wires need to be changed from the 85 to 88(not bad)
get a dash pod with a tach
the whole job is realy eazy

You don't need to ask me what to do
I'm A 4dr Hooptie guy all the way

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the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
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I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
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Last edited by jaguar,vettes&sprints on Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
"nice" looks like an 85???
remember if you do the swap you'll need
to take a sawsall to the under carage right

next to the cross member theres a corner that has to be notched
for the shift linkage rod will clear (ican get a picture)
other then that you need the nutral safty switch off the AT

I just took it off trany set it to nutral tie rapt it out of the way
don't forget the pedls assmbly
make a hole through firewall for cutch cable
you'll also need the ECM the AT ECM wont work

A few wires need to be changed from the 85 to 88(not bad)
get a dash pod with a tach
the whole job is realy eazy

You don't need to ask me what to do
I'm A 4dr Hooptie guy all the way


I'd be interested in a write-up and a parts list for a AT to MT swap if you had the time. My 86 project is AT and needs to go to manual.


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jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
"nice" looks like an 85???
remember if you do the swap you'll need
to take a sawsall to the under carage right

next to the cross member theres a corner that has to be notched
for the shift linkage rod will clear (ican get a picture)
other then that you need the nutral safty switch off the AT


Pics would be nice.

jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
I just took it off trany set it to nutral tie rapt it out of the way
don't forget the pedls assmbly
make a hole through firewall for cutch cable
you'll also need the ECM the AT ECM wont work


I don't think I'd need an ECM. My cars don't have computers :D. They have Aisin carburettors, not the electronic newfangled Hitachi carbs. I don't even have a CHECK ENGINE light.

jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
A few wires need to be changed from the 85 to 88(not bad)
get a dash pod with a tach
the whole job is realy eazy


Got the dash cluster :cheers:

jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
You don't need to ask me what to do
I'm A 4dr Hooptie guy all the way


I guess that's one for parts car!


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:39 pm 
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jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
"nice" looks like an 85???
remember if you do the swap you'll need
to take a sawsall to the under carage right

next to the cross member theres a corner that has to be notched
for the shift linkage rod will clear (ican get a picture)
other then that you need the nutral safty switch off the AT

I just took it off trany set it to nutral tie rapt it out of the way
don't forget the pedls assmbly
make a hole through firewall for cutch cable
you'll also need the ECM the AT ECM wont work

A few wires need to be changed from the 85 to 88(not bad)
get a dash pod with a tach
the whole job is realy eazy


You don't need to ask me what to do
I'm A 4dr Hooptie guy all the way


Wow I spell like sh#t when I can't sleep
"AMP" here's the pic of the hump
you need to cut out when converting from AT/5spd
That's cool you've got the jap carb & don't need the ECM
I just piched my last jap carb



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the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
suprf1y wrote:
I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
jrjd wrote:
"Driving a Swift GTi is like driving a bike in your house".


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Wowza! That was quick. Thanks for the pic jaguar,vettes&sprints. You made a nice job of that by the looks of things. KP fer ya!

Still debating the swap. this little Sprint is beginning to grow on me. It has a certain "lightness", and simplicity that I like. Plus it is somewhat rare and nostalgic in ways.

Still the question that lies is:

"To be (my new project car) or not to be (my new project car)."

Update: (Click on the pictures to enlarge; I just learned how to do thumbnails! Hopefully this will help the loading time of my topics :) )

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I pulled the engine yesterday. I've heard that engines could sometimes be unseized by using kerosene or diesel fuel. I'm glad I didn't waste my time on that! I checked the spark plugs to see if there were any tell-tale signs that could lead to failure, and found they were physically damaged.

Here's what I found shortly after that:

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(First time ever pullng an engine :-P)

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Check out the hole in the block by the exhaust manifold.

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And on the opposing side of the engine! There is a large hole behind the flywheel also. Here's what I pulled out of the holes:

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Quite the bottom end blowout! I am curious as to how this would have occured.


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Nice
I would Kill to have the knowladge of the forbiden thumb nail
Dang
I will some day Acheive the knowladge

The hole in the motivator is caused
because it was a AT &
The Dipstick that owned it
luged it out hard (on a hill or on a cold start situation)
till it blowed
not the first time but the AT were week that way

It can be done in a 5spd to just wine the piss out of it
they'll do the same

In that enviroment/High Milage/crapy motor oil
The piston conecting rod get starved for lube/heat up/detonate

R.I.P 3 banger

Wow my MK1 stock just went up
Now who wan'ts a block

Good post Aamp K.P. for ya

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the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
suprf1y wrote:
I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
jrjd wrote:
"Driving a Swift GTi is like driving a bike in your house".


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jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
Nice
I would Kill to have the knowladge of the forbiden thumb nail
Dang
I will some day Acheive the knowladge


Hey, I recall that wording being different at one time. You said something else before, didn't you :lol:

You seem like a nice guy, and though it is a little off-topic, I'll share the forbidden secret.

Thumbnail pics:

Usually to post a pic I would simply use the:

[img]ADDRESS%20THAT%20LEADS%20DIRECTLY%20TO%20MY%20PICTURE[/img]

But to post a thumbnail of a pic, I use the URL function! So you get:

[url=ADDRESS THAT LEADS DIRECTLY TO MY BIG PICTURE][img]ADDRESS%20THAT%20DIRECTS%20YOU%20TO%20THE%20THUMBNAIL%20OF%20THAT%20PICTURE[/img][/url]

If for example you wanted to post a thumbnail of your '69 Vette so that when clicked on it, it would give you the exploded view, you would do as follows:

[*url=http://www.teamswift.net/album_pic.php?pic_id=6931][*img]http://www.teamswift.net/album_thumbnail.php?pic_id=6931[*/img][*/url]

Omit the stars (*) and...

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Go ahead, click on it. I dare you :shifty:

As for the '86 Sprint, I totally dissassembled and familiarized myself with the "blown up" G10. I had my good friend "Cadillac" over to aid and learn througout the procedure.

I've got the bare bones block sitting in my garage right now and it is ugly. It has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese and the #3 rod is so bent; I really don't think I could even replicate such damage with a sledge hammer. I could post pictures if anybody is interested.

I have a lot of :search: ing and reading ahead of me now as I have plans of doing an engine rebuild. JV&S, I've got another block sitting in my garage right now which *hopefully* is eligible for the rebuild. Thanks for the offering, I really appreciate it and will keep your MK1 stock in mind.

-Slow and the Furious


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:16 am 
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Ya Trev I did take libertys & (edit's)
some times people don't get my dry sense of humor
didn't want offend
Just rub'in ya about my extra block it would kill ya in shipping &
I now there's peep's alot closer that could hook you up

yes picture i know there are sadest like me that love to stare
@ carnage
To gearheads motor carnage is
like a fatal car accedent to sevillains

Been trying to use the knowlage of the thumbnail on test page can't get it did the [url-------------pic---------][img]-------------pic-------[/img][/url]
--------------------no luck
-----------------------------Wait A light just went on

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(sorry N1tr0)


OH YA BABY Thank's Trev

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t3 ragtop wrote:
the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
suprf1y wrote:
I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
jrjd wrote:
"Driving a Swift GTi is like driving a bike in your house".


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please keep your pics pg rated :P

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Here's the engine carnage!

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View at your own risk!

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A nice pan of greasy chips anyone? :-P

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BENT ROD! (the real pic)

Enjoy the carnage :twisted:

-Trev


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Greese bit's "ya"

Now that should be the Icon for problems & fixes


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Dang Trev that looks like it hurts ouch!


not you ?? nick
looks like nick
needs to stop hurting himself & get a girlfriend


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Ouch, may I ask how high the engine was revved for this to happen or was it one of those fluke accidents?

Dan


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Unfourtunately, I don't know the history of this engine or how it happened. I'll ask the guy when I go to pick up the TOD; but now I'm getting worried 'cause my Firefly makes a lot of unecessary engine noise :( I'll rebuild this engine, see how it goes, then move on to possibly rebuilding the Flys'.


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if your fly is making a lot of noise, make sure your valves are adjusted correctly !! it's a regular bit of maintenance and pretty simple to do :P

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dido on the valve thing N1tr0 is right

"Elturdbo" ran like crap found out the valves were to tight
adj made a world of diffrents
I know with ware they should have been real loose
but mine were tight-------------some things can't be expained


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Valves eh? I'll adjust them again first thing tomorrow morning. Sounds like it could be more than just valves :? but it'll be a good start.


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I checked and adjusted the valves today to spec, but as I had presumed, the noise remains. Here's a sound clip of the engine after about 30 seconds of running at high idle. You'll hear like a knocking noise that sort of fades as the engine warms up.

Could it be the bottom end? Piston slap? Torque converter??? When I was cranking the engine over by hand to bring the pistons to TDC for valve adjusting, I noticed the #3 cylinder felt weak on the compression stroke compared to the others. I've also noticed on both the G10s that I have disassembled that the third cylinders seem to look the worst (one exploded of course...).

*EDIT* I have a sound clip, but it wouldn't attach properly. It's only 200Kb, but I got a message saying the filesize exceded the limit or something like that. If anyone would like to hear it, I could e-mail it to you.


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upload your file to this place http://www.gimehost.com/index.php then post a link here

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Sweeet! Thanks tbirdscott!

Here's the link:

Sound that my Firefly makes on a cold start

Okay, maybe it's not the best recording, but have a listen anyway.


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Nice Scott you de man K P for that one

Trev If you want my guess rist pin slop no easy fix


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Does that mean the Fly is a ticking time bomb :cry: ?


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jaguar,vettes&sprints wrote:
Nice Scott you de man K P for that one

Trev If you want my guess rist pin slop no easy fix

it's definately moving at crank speed from the sounds of it .. so something in the bottom end, good chance it's a wrist pin, a bit louder I'd guess connecting rod, either way it's 'bad' ...
maybe you can start a collection of gernaded bottom ends ...

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Firction = wear

----------------------------Yes-------- how long?
-----------------------------------------------------hard to say

If it s the wrist pin....... they just get louder & louder
Till the engine sound like it's coming apart (And will)

If it's a bearing you might just get away with another one
if you know wich one


Drain the oil see if you get any babbit material(metal from bearings)
in it
you can check with motor in the car

drop pan look in bottom to check for big chucks (ez)
go to NAPA get some plast-gauge to check bearings (a little harder
still not bad)

when you check the "crush on the bearing you have to un bolt the rod caps
see if you have any up/down movement in the piston to rod
you might be able to tell if it is a wrist pin

If you find it
I can give you a used piston-rod assmbly just put it in
you'll need a new head gasket
If you find it's a bearing you can probably just get by puting another in

---------------------------------------------JV&S


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