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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:21 pm 
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did you check you ignition relay.? it's over on the pass side strut tower
2 little black boxes 1 is for the fuel pump the other is the ignition relay
Here's a picture located just outboard of the wiper motor asmb,
take a minuet swap them and hit the intake with Either see if it will run.?.....jv&s
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:17 pm 
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Well, still no luck with the car. All signs indicate that the new (to me) Ignitor module is also bad. It has power in, but nothing out. I desperately need a known good module in order to do anything further with this car.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:37 pm 
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is this my old car.?
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.show me a picture of modual I will see.....s


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:23 pm 
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It is your old car. For some reason, Windows 8 won't receive the picture in my email, but it's the square black box on the driver's side shock tower. It has a Mitsubishi triangle with the number "E-101" and says "Knock Control" followed by serial numbers and part numbers.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 pm 
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TomInOregon wrote:
It is your old car. For some reason, Windows 8 won't receive the picture in my email, but it's the square black box on the driver's side shock tower. It has a Mitsubishi triangle with the number "E-101" and says "Knock Control" followed by serial numbers and part numbers.


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ya not the problem
I would bet good money on that..! look else were....
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the car will run without the knock sensor..... runs crappy but will run without the knock sensor
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got to live the window 8 crap there jam,n down our throat
try fire fox as your browser
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still thinking Dizzy........
and I would look at the ignition wires at the key switch just so I could check that off my list
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:42 pm 
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Well the distributor may be bad, but without any spark getting to the distributor it's not the main issue. I first need to get spark to the distributor before I can go any further. Rebuilding or replacing all the downstream items won't help if there's no spark coming out of the ignitor module.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:52 pm 
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TomInOregon wrote:
Well the distributor may be bad, and I thank you all for your help.
I'll contact the fellow near me (mentioned above) who can easily help. I'm done pussyfooting around with this car and now realize that the Teamswift members are the quickest route to getting this car back on the road. Thanks again for all your help and I'll post pictures tonight.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:12 pm 
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Here's a link to a picture of the module: http://www.teamswift.net/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=1&image_id=22720

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:23 pm 
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Question: if the camshaft position sensor isn't working in the distributor (in case it's faulty... just sayin'), won't that also interfere with spark generation?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:42 pm 
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That's a good question. If so, is there a way to test it? I haven't ruled out the distributor or some other part, but from what I understand of the ignition system, it seems unlikely. Nothing on my distributor is broken or bent, but a sensor or electrical part could be bad. I just need to narrow it down to what can be tested.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:53 pm 
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CJDavE wrote:
Question: if the camshaft position sensor isn't working in the distributor (in case it's faulty... just sayin'), won't that also interfere with spark generation?

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Looking into my crystal ball, I see this car on the road before too long..............

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:47 pm 
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With much help from Deebee and Phil, we determined that the timing belt is not turning. We tried to take the timing cover off to see if the belt was broken, but we couldn't remove the cover. The large bolt on the crankshaft pulley has had something welded onto it and the weld has overlapped onto 2 of the 4 10mm bolts. At this point I have turned it back over to my mechanic in the hopes that he can get that pulley off. Deebee oven left a timing belt with me to help get it going quicker. Hopefully it will be running again soon!
A huge thanks to Deebee and Phil. It was interesting to watch Phil accurately troubleshooting through the telephone by the sound of the car turning over. He clearly knows these cars well, as he was able to talk us through all of it presumably from memory. Once again, thank you to both of you.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:37 pm 
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[quote="TomInOregon"]With much help from Deebee and Phil, we determined that the timing belt is not turning. We tried to take the timing cover off to see if the belt was broken, but we couldn't remove the cover.[/quote]

Pulled off the timing cover and threw it away some years ago. No problems so far. Only issue I had heard of was a guy who ran into a snowbank and ice fouled up the timing belt. I don't have that worry.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:53 pm 
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I have an update. I got the car back from my mechanic. He changed out the timing belt and said he couldn't get it to run except by moving the camshaft by a tooth. I picked it up and it runs, but the timing is way off. I haven't had a chance to do anything else with it yet, but it is running at least. It looks like the timing belt was the culprit all along. After about 5 months, at least he didn't charge me anything and I am better off than when I took it in to him. Thank you again to everyone, especially DeeBee and Phil.

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