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 Post subject: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:10 pm 
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The starter in my 88 Sprint turbo has gone and Im trying to get it out but it seems jammed on the flywheel. Ive got a hanes manual and its not any help. The starter is loose it just wont come out. Anybody know If Im going to have to take the rear motor mount and the alternator out to get this thing out? Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:33 pm 
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No . You should not have to remove any additional parts to get it out . Two bolts , two wires and then wiggle it out . There is not a whole lot of room but it should come out unless someone used metro starter sometime along the line . They are a little longer but even then should come out . I've used them before.


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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:11 pm 
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Yeah, thats what I figured. Thanks. I guess the starter gear is jammed out against the flywheel because the starter wont budge apart from wiggling a little. Going to have to figure something out.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:34 pm 
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I've seen a few stuck on the dowl pins.... and you have to sware a lot before they come out


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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:37 pm 
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try rotating the crankshaft a little. the starter shouldn't bind up to the point that you can't get it off even with the bendix stuck in the extended position.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Just went out and tried again. It is definitely stuck on the dowel pin closest to the engine and there seems to be nothing I can do. Ive pryed so hard on it with a long screw driver you could see the motor mounts flexing. This thing is not going to come out unless I take the intake manifold off or something. This is why I hate working on cars sometimes. Its always an easy job that becomes impossible.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:03 pm 
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Also the starter is falling apart. The black case around the armature is just flopping around making it impossible to get a good yank on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:19 pm 
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not sure what plastic and such is around the mk1 starter location, but you can try heating it up with a torch. or just spray it with some penetrating fluid and let it sit.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:59 pm 
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are you sure that you have all the nuts and bolts removed? :huh:

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:22 pm 
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this is the part I hate.....
You have to jack the car up put it on some good solid jack stan's under the car .
Get a hammer and a stought Screwdriver........
take off the little tin shield on the bottom of the transaxle
There is a place you can wedge the screw driver between the belhousing and the starter body

.............Time to knock some dirt into you eyes ...

If the starter toast go for it but becarefull nut to chip the belhousing
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There are only TWO bolts holding the starter to the transaxle make sure you have them all the way out....jv&s
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PLEASE NOTE .......
when you get the starter out there is a thin plate that needs to be put back between the starter and the belhousing (shim plate) it only goes back one way.......
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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:26 am 
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Yes im sure Ive got everything unbolted. There were only 2 bolts to unbolt. Yeah Im sure the starter is toast so Its time to start getting rough. I noticed what looked to be that shim you were talking about but when I look at it from the top it looks like the shim has fallen apart bacause there is only some material stuck around the dowel closest to the firewall.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:31 am 
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Im goin to lift her up and put it on some jackstands after work today and try what JV&S suggested. Ill update on my frustrations later. Thanks for all the input everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:18 pm 
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Ok well there is absolutely no access to the starter from below. Im fed up with this piece of crap. Does anybody want to buy a 88 sprint turbo that needs a starter for 1 grand?

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:14 am 
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It's a sure bet the starter's wedged in there due to the
shim plate not being in the correct position last time
someone bolted in the starter. I bet some part of that
plate is locking the starter in place, I'ts happened to
me before but never where I couldn't get it loose.

Best thing to do if you get fed up, is to cool down a day
or two and come back with a fresh outlook.
You'll get it sooner or later, you just have to try to think
smart and that's not gonna happen if you're all pissed off.

Seems to me it's a case of the right leverage.
Make sure you've applied some penetrating oil to the suspect
area. If you're lucky you have a small assortment of angled
prybars to try to fit in there and wiggle it loose a little
at a time. If you're not lucky, you'll have to improvise
with some screwdrivers. (Unfortunately the coolant
tube is in the way a lot where you could stick
a long prybar in between starter and the block. You
could remove it but that's a whole other story..)
Try to remove as much stuff as possible
to give you access, like the intercooler and hoses, and if there's
any wires in the way, just zip tie or mechanics wire them off
to the side so you can get your big meaty paws in there.

So now if you have no luck, then try to think of attacking the
problem from a few feet away. Take a long solid prybar,
hardwood handle, piece of pipe, extension.. whatever...
something long and solid, and place it somewhere on the
starter and strike the edge of the instrument with a hammer
and try to knock the starter free. This picture makes it
look easy, because a lot of shit's removed, but you get the
idea and it may be easer to remove something else simple to give you
better access.

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 Post subject: Re: Starter removal
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:34 pm 
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So ive got it figured out. Once I removed the rear motor mount and got a good angle with a prybar I was able to persuade it to come apart. Sheesh Im glad thats over with.

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