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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:37 pm 
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Hey there all,

Anybody in the turbo community done an engine rebuild with a multi-part kit lately? Looks like a great way to save on cash. In the event my compression test comes back low or I'm having other issues with the gaskets/rings/bearings/etc once I purchase the car, I'm preparing a budget for rebuilding the motor and have gone searching for economical and high quality rebuild kits. Ebay has turned out to be quite promising, with kits like this for $120: http://tinyurl.com/cpls83u

Full Gasket Set(SZFSG10)
Main Bearing - available sizes: STD, 010 ,020 (SZMBG10)
Rod Bearing - available sizes: STD,010, 020 (SZRBG10)
Thrust Washer(SZTWG10)
Ring Set - available sizes: STD, 020 (SZRSG10)
Timing Belt - (SZTBG10)

Other than that, I may invest in an oil pump, and a timing belt/water pump kit since a belt on its own isn't ideal. Anybody come up with good alternatives or options with all of the parts you would need for a Mk1 Turbo rebuild? Thoughts on this kit... too cheap/low quality perhaps?

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 9:31 am 
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That kit might save you a little time rounding up the parts, but you would be better
off searching for separate items that are higher quality.

If you buy this kit, you will ditch the head gasket, pan gasket and ring set.

If you buy the items separately to total this kit you'll pay about the same
for the items you'd actually use.
The headgaskets are crap, though very enticing @ $10.00.. I stocked
up on them a few years back and went through them fairly quickly,
you won't use a pan gasket, OE is silicone sealer, and the ring set is
half ass as you're gonna bore it anyway, if you use oversize rings you're
just increasing the slop..really need to upgrade pistons.

Do it right or don't do it at all.

Here's a realistic breakdown of what you will spend...


Ebay Dvorak No-Blow Headgasket (preferred head gasket) $50
Bearing Set w/Thrust Washer $40
Rear Seal Kit $20
Front Seal Kit $15
Timing Belt w/Tensioner kit $28
Timing Cover (you know you need it) $38
Misc. Sealer $10
75mm Vitara piston upgrade $100-125
Water Pump $35-50

Machine Shop Tear down/clean/Inspect/Balance/Reassemble $500
Resurface flywheel $25-75

Clutch (Exedy Standard exceeds OE)
You are going to replace? right? since you've gone this far $200
Upgade disc friction surface (good for up to 150HP) $50
T/O Bearing, Pilot Bearing $50

Gonna Rebuild the head?

Cam Seal $5
Valve Cover Gasket Set w/grommets $20
Intake Valves $6 EACH
Stainless Exh. Valves $10 EACH
New Valve Guides & Seals $6 EACH
Exhaust Manifold Gasket (MLS when you can find it,
they are re-useable) $20

Machine Shop Teardown/Inspect/Rebuild $250-450

Oil & Filter $20
Coolant $15
Thermostat $10
New V-Belt $12
Hoses & Clamps $50
Fuel Filter $15

Gasket Sheet (you will need to make several of your own) $10

Electrical Tape/Shrink Tube/Connectors/Wire & $20
all kinds of other shit you will need, vacuum hose,
assembly lube,

Oh yeah, your motor mounts and transmission mounts
are toast. $125-150 full set

What? You forgot the headbolts? $20

Undoubtedly you will break something or find a fucked up
sensor or solenoid, nuts/bolts $100

Are you going to paint anything? Degrease? Clean?
Shop Towels? Paper Towels? Oil/Coolant catch can? $20-40

Oh yeah, totally forgot... Now I need,
spark plugs, gapper, wires, cap & rotor $50

I did all that work and now my distributors fucked up
because the mech. advance is frozen and the vacuum
advance is messed up.
Send to Fainya for rebuild $50-100

OK, it's running great now but it's overheating,
my radiator is OE and I never had it cleaned or changed
the coolant. I need to have it reemed out/rebuilt
or upgrade to a replacement something. $50-175

Totally forgot the air filter, I never replaced it in
5 years. I can get a new one for $15 or just
get a K&N that I can reuse for $45 $45

Now that I think about it, I forgot to tell you
I spent a bunch of money on taps.
I had to clean the headbolt threads, and I
chased a bunch of other threads on the
mounts & other crap. Thread Taps $20


I've broken in the motor on Dinosaur oil,
now I'm swapping it out for Synthetic.
Oil & Filter $30



It's running good now, unfortunately it needs to stop.
I neglected the brakes while I replaced the motor.
Got to repair that cracked windshield too. Got a couple
bad tires. Registration is due next month. My headlights
have been giving me trouble. My window sticks, gotta
lube up that regulator.


Here's the best part, I just filled up my tank at the gas station
for $25, the guy in the SUV next to me was at $85. Ha Ha
Then at the stoplight I blew away a POS primered honda thought
he was all bad ass. Ha Ha

:mrgreen:

(Uh oh, I think my turbo's on the way out............)


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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 11:01 am 
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What an awesome post! Definitely saving this for later. Thanks for screwing my head on straight with the tempting price of the inferior quality Ebay kits. I'll be sure to do it properly if my engine truly needs a rebuild when I purchase the car. Do it once, do it right... I like that a lot. Once I pick up the car, I'll run some tests and see if I'm burning or smoking anything before I decide whether to rebuild immediately or in the distant future. Might be worth saving up for a 3Tech package and some other goodies!

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PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:26 pm 
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That post reminds me of almost every car i have ever purchased lol.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:27 am 
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JamalSpelling wrote:
That kit might save you a little time rounding up the parts, but you would be better
off searching for separate items that are higher quality.

If you buy this kit, you will ditch the head gasket, pan gasket and ring set.

If you buy the items separately to total this kit you'll pay about the same
for the items you'd actually use.
The headgaskets are crap, though very enticing @ $10.00.. I stocked
up on them a few years back and went through them fairly quickly,
you won't use a pan gasket, OE is silicone sealer, and the ring set is
half ass as you're gonna bore it anyway, if you use oversize rings you're
just increasing the slop..really need to upgrade pistons.

Do it right or don't do it at all.

Here's a realistic breakdown of what you will spend...


Ebay Dvorak No-Blow Headgasket (preferred head gasket) $50
Bearing Set w/Thrust Washer $40
Rear Seal Kit $20
Front Seal Kit $15
Timing Belt w/Tensioner kit $28
Timing Cover (you know you need it) $38
Misc. Sealer $10
75mm Vitara piston upgrade $100-125
Water Pump $35-50

Machine Shop Tear down/clean/Inspect/Balance/Reassemble $500
Resurface flywheel $25-75

Clutch (Exedy Standard exceeds OE)
You are going to replace? right? since you've gone this far $200
Upgade disc friction surface (good for up to 150HP) $50
T/O Bearing, Pilot Bearing $50

Gonna Rebuild the head?

Cam Seal $5
Valve Cover Gasket Set w/grommets $20
Intake Valves $6 EACH
Stainless Exh. Valves $10 EACH
New Valve Guides & Seals $6 EACH
Exhaust Manifold Gasket (MLS when you can find it,
they are re-useable) $20

Machine Shop Teardown/Inspect/Rebuild $250-450

Oil & Filter $20
Coolant $15
Thermostat $10
New V-Belt $12
Hoses & Clamps $50
Fuel Filter $15

Gasket Sheet (you will need to make several of your own) $10

Electrical Tape/Shrink Tube/Connectors/Wire & $20
all kinds of other shit you will need, vacuum hose,
assembly lube,

Oh yeah, your motor mounts and transmission mounts
are toast. $125-150 full set

What? You forgot the headbolts? $20

Undoubtedly you will break something or find a fucked up
sensor or solenoid, nuts/bolts $100

Are you going to paint anything? Degrease? Clean?
Shop Towels? Paper Towels? Oil/Coolant catch can? $20-40

Oh yeah, totally forgot... Now I need,
spark plugs, gapper, wires, cap & rotor $50

I did all that work and now my distributors fucked up
because the mech. advance is frozen and the vacuum
advance is messed up.
Send to Fainya for rebuild $50-100

OK, it's running great now but it's overheating,
my radiator is OE and I never had it cleaned or changed
the coolant. I need to have it reemed out/rebuilt
or upgrade to a replacement something. $50-175

Totally forgot the air filter, I never replaced it in
5 years. I can get a new one for $15 or just
get a K&N that I can reuse for $45 $45

Now that I think about it, I forgot to tell you
I spent a bunch of money on taps.
I had to clean the headbolt threads, and I
chased a bunch of other threads on the
mounts & other crap. Thread Taps $20


I've broken in the motor on Dinosaur oil,
now I'm swapping it out for Synthetic.
Oil & Filter $30



It's running good now, unfortunately it needs to stop.
I neglected the brakes while I replaced the motor.
Got to repair that cracked windshield too. Got a couple
bad tires. Registration is due next month. My headlights
have been giving me trouble. My window sticks, gotta
lube up that regulator.


Here's the best part, I just filled up my tank at the gas station
for $25, the guy in the SUV next to me was at $85. Ha Ha
Then at the stoplight I blew away a POS primered honda thought
he was all bad ass. Ha Ha

:mrgreen:

(Uh oh, I think my turbo's on the way out............)



I paid a good local shop to rebuild the 350 in my Z28 and, among a whole pile of other new stuff, they put in a new oil pump and they said they always put in a new oil pump when they rebuild an engine. The 350 was bored out and oversize pistons fitted.

Is there any reason why you have not included a new oil pump in your parts list for the G10 turbo? ( don't take this as a criticism, I'm just asking, its obvious to me you know far more aboult rebuilding engines than I do)


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:03 pm 
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That was just off the top of my head, there's plenty more i left out.
The pumps are pretty robust and you can disassemble them and check the
tolerances or replace as you mentioned.


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