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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:52 am 
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actually kid if you multiply a number by 0.05 you get 5% of that number. try multiplying 100 X 0.05. did you get 5? that's because 5 is 5% of 100. 0.05% of 100 is 0.05 (multiply 100 X 0.0005) see how that works?

so, five hundredths of one percent (numerically represented as 0.05%) of one thousand is five tenths (0.5). so you were right about my being wrong, but in the wrong direction.

furthermore, your math is too sloppy to figure out your milage anyway. when you are estimating how much your trip is off, and estimating how far you would have gone if you had finished off the estimated 3L you might have left in your tank, there's no telling what you actually got in mileage.

and my think:speak ratio is fine, if i go over that i start nuking things and say stuff like ".05% of 1000 is 50."

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also, just out of curiosity, is that 66.8MPG imperial or US. that's a difference of 17% (multiply by .17)

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I just filled up. I went 450.6 miles on 7.378 U.S. gallons = 61.07 mpg :D . Or metric, 725.2 km on 27.93 liters of gasoline, or 3.851 L/ 100 km.
Hope I did my math right :) .

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filled today, 498.6 miles on 8.285 U.S. gallons = 60.18 mpg. Not bad considering the driving conditions I had :? .

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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I just filled up a new record tank :D . 445.7 miles on 6.885 U.S. gallons = 64.73 U.S. mpg! A route change on my commute helped me get this tank higher.

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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I just filled up a new record tank :D . 445.7 miles on 6.885 U.S. gallons = 64.73 U.S. mpg! A route change on my commute helped me get this tank higher.


Wow! I only got that kind of mileage out of my Metro once, several years back, averaged over 700 miles. That's really respectable!

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New fill, 445.5 miles on 6.673 U.S. gallons = 66.76 mpg. Last 100 miles included messing around with pulse and glide techniques.

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
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http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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Awesome. :D

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New fill, 445.5 miles on 6.673 U.S. gallons = 66.76 mpg. Last 100 miles included messing around with pulse and glide techniques.

I think we ALL need to use the same gas pump Jamie uses! :)
(it's the easiest way to get more mpg)

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New fill, 445.5 miles on 6.673 U.S. gallons = 66.76 mpg. Last 100 miles included messing around with pulse and glide techniques.

I think we ALL need to use the same gas pump Jamie uses! :)
(it's the easiest way to get more mpg)

So you don't think I can really get that kind of mileage :? .

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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What is your average speed Jamie is it 55-60mph. Are you driving over fairly flat terrain or do you drive up and down hills? What about wind? are you subject to any wind where you're at? Just trying to get a feel for your driving conditions. Also what octane gas and timing are you using? Are you running highly advanced timing with 91 octane?
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.... So you don't think I can really get that kind of mileage :? .

I think you CAN get that mpg. With alot of techniques that, for example, Darin does at http://www.metrompg.com/
But I don't think you DO -assuming you are using accurate pumps and calculations.

Your numbers are about 20mpg higher "average" than I ever got (being somewhat light-footed using mostly freeway driving).
If using the a/c, it loses another 5mpg -to about 41mpg.

Darin's is a two door and yours is the 4 door model?
If true, that makes it even harder to believe.

Main thing is have fun with whatever mpg it is actually getting. :)
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Pres wrote:
I think you CAN get that mpg. With alot of techniques


Bingo.

Jamie has described his typical commute over at gassavers, and from what he described, this kind of mileage is possible no problem. Plus, he's using "the techniques". :)

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Darin's is a two door and yours is the 4 door model?
If true, that makes it even harder to believe.


Maybe not. The Mk3 4 doors are still roughly 100 lbs lighter than the mk4/5 2-doors. That wouldn't matter much on a flat highway at a constant speed. But it does help when you start getting into pulse & glide or city driving

These cars (all versions of the 3 cyl 5-speeds) are capable of completely insane mileage in the right conditions & with "unconventional" driving.

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What is your average speed Jamie is it 55-60mph. Are you driving over fairly flat terrain or do you drive up and down hills? What about wind? are you subject to any wind where you're at? Just trying to get a feel for your driving conditions. Also what octane gas and timing are you using? Are you running highly advanced timing with 91 octane?
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I've lowered my ave speed and my mpg went up, it is probably close to 35-40 mph. It is rolling rural terrain with it's share of wind. Check my gas log out with the link in my sig for more specifics :) . I typically use 87 but have tried 89 a couple of times and I'm not sure where my timing is since the jumper does not function properly to set base timing. Here's an early thread about my car's timing. http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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.... So you don't think I can really get that kind of mileage :? .

I think you CAN get that mpg. With alot of techniques that, for example, Darin does at http://www.metrompg.com/
But I don't think you DO -assuming you are using accurate pumps and calculations.

Your numbers are about 20mpg higher "average" than I ever got (being somewhat light-footed using mostly freeway driving).
If using the a/c, it loses another 5mpg -to about 41mpg.

Darin's is a two door and yours is the 4 door model?
If true, that makes it even harder to believe.

Main thing is have fun with whatever mpg it is actually getting. :)
Pres
I'm sorry if you find my #s unbelievable, when I first started driving my geo I was happy to be getting mid 40s mpg. I never would have thought I could be returning such high #s, it takes technical effort, a good running engine, a good rolling chassis, some aero mods, no ac, and patience. Gassavers.org has been a great source of support and info helping me improve my FE. Actually avoiding the freeway has contributed to improving my FE, and a somewhat heavy foot for acceleration (early upshifts though) is not all bad either. Main thing is I know I am getting these #s and it is saving me lots of $$$ :razz: . Besides, what would I gain from lying... some type of internet fame :?: :lol: .

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Jamie has described his typical commute over at gassavers, and from what he described, this kind of mileage is possible no problem. Plus, he's using "the techniques".

Thanks for backing me up Darin.

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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[/quote] I've lowered my ave speed and my mpg went up, it is probably close to 35-40 mph. quote]

Is that right?!!! You have lowered your avg speed to 40 miles per hour!! I can now see why your numbers are dramatically higher than most others here on the board. I think everyone else is driving 55-60,65 mph. If this is the case I don't think I could ever drive that slow to reach your kind of mileage(that's ok with me). I stay between 55-60 in the am going to work and after work I drive between 50-55 mph.
Although, I truely wonder how much of an effect your aerodynamic modifications have at that low of a speed?
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I think I was getting mid 50s mpg when I averaged 55-60 mph. I still go 55mph on an 8 mile section of my commute. I could be going 70 in those areas though. It's tough sometimes, it takes discipline and It's not for everyone.
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Although, I truely wonder how much of an effect your aerodynamic modifications have at that low of a speed?
Every little bit helps :) especially driving into a headwind.

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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So my latest 53.5 MPG with mostly 60-65 interstate driving must be about on target then...

This is with one of my Dad's Metros, a 1990 XFI shown here; http://jeremiahsviolins.com/grooved2.htm

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So my latest 53.5 MPG with mostly 60-65 interstate driving must be about on target then...

This is with one of my Dad's Metros, a 1990 XFI shown here; http://jeremiahsviolins.com/grooved2.htm

Jeremiah
yeah, that is really good. Is the metro in question also an xfi? I had to find an alternate route off the freeway to lower my speeds due to the 55mph minimum limit recently enacted in the 70mph zones. That helped FE nicely. Darin has a cool graph for his metro of speed vs. mpg. http://www.metrompg.com/posts/speed-vs-mpg.htm It may help inspire slower speeds :) .

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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It was done with the blue xfi pictured in the link.

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I only get ~ 45-47MPG but my freeway cruising speed is 75-80MPH with a few short hills that are WOT. (of course passing is also WOT).

I've tried to keep it at 65 but it's too hard to do.

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[quote="JellyBeanDriver"]I only get ~ 45-47MPG but my freeway cruising speed is 75-80MPH with a few short hills that are WOT. (of course passing is also WOT).

I got about 53 mpg on a longer trip. I was doing 75 to 83mph. on the
interstate and 45 to 55 on the county roads.
I wasn't driving conservatively, but I did coast down hill when possible.
I have 13x 175s on the front running 40psi and have rigged a pre-heater
for the fuel line.

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new fill, 478.0 miles on 6.676 us gallons = 71.60 mpg. believe it or not :roll: . Max speed 56 mph, average around 35 mph. Using many hypermiler techniques including 50% P&G, EOC, careful route selection, smart parking, etc.

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94 geo metro 1.0L 3cyl 5speed, 4 door hatch
best tank, 81.22 U.S. mpg
90 day ave, 69.23 U.S. mpg
longest range on 1 tank, 790 miles
(click below to see more info on my car, including a gas log)
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/272


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wow is all I can say. Hard to believe but wow.


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I can get 300 miles to the gallon.....REALLY!!!!






When I'm being towed behind a wrecker. ;-)



Seriously.....This is kind of silly...."Well....... If I ONLY drive 30 miles an hour AND going downhill and I'm drafting and...and and...and then I get this MPG"..... :roll:


WHO IN THE WORLD can drive like that on a normal day?

I don't care WHAT you're doing or HOW you're doing it.....

I think 70mpg is a COMPLETE crock of $h1T....




Best I EVER got was 50mpg. (when I FIRST got the car)


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