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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:13 am 
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FYI, the Suzukiclones made the front page of the Toronto Star auto section this weekend, under the title, "Five cheap used cars - good on gas," by Mark Toljagic.

The car's pros and cons were briefly outlined, however, the reviewer warned against buying the 3-cylinder model for highway driving, with "roughness" being the reason.

This warning is surprising in an article about fuel economy. (And besides, I would have put "gutlessness" at the top of the list of complaints about highway performance, if you're going to complain.)

<a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1127425813308&call_pageid=968867497088&col=969048871196">link to Toronto Star article</a> (may not last for long, though it's working as of the time i posted this)

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register is required... can you please copy and paste here.. thanks

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fyi, if registration is required on a site you want to access, and you don't want to go through the hassle of registering, try

<a href="http://www.bugmenot.com">www.bugmenot.com</a>

the bugmenot site gives out login/passwords for many registration-required sites.

it gave me this to access the star article (and it worked for me):

username: register@bugmenot.com
password: bugmenot

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here's the part of the article on the suzukiclones: (go to the star's site to see the intro, pix, and rest of the article...)

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1995-2001 Suzuki Swift/Chevrolet Metro/Pontiac Firefly (6.4-7.8 litres/100 km)

These Ingersoll, Ont.-built transportation pods resided at the top of Canada's EnerGuide fuel-consumption charts, at least until the smarty-pants hybrids came along.

The Suzuki is a three-door hatchback only; the GM-badged models added a tiny four-door sedan with a trunk. If their diminutive size scares you, take comfort in the fact they all have dual air bags and meet stringent North American crash-impact standards.

Power comes from a 55 hp 1.0-litre three-cylinder engine or a 1.3-litre four-banger. Avoid the lumpy three-cylinder unless you're strictly driving in the city; the motor is just too harsh for highway travel.

The 79-hp four is better, but it's still noisy and the car's ride is bucky, darty at speed. This is old technology: there's just two valves beavering away per cylinder, and the automatic transmission has three forward gears, not four.

Among their redeeming features are their easy-to-park size, handy hatch and minimal maintenance. These cars are tougher than their size and cute faces suggest, which is a benefit from Suzuki being a long-time motorcycle maker.

And you can't beat the gas mileage unless you invest far, far more in a turbodiesel or hybrid. — which may be not so Smart, when you look at the comparative numbers.

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whoa what a wonderful hack tool! i will use this often!

anyway its good to read... they should review mk3... :roll:

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I agree with CMA about the mk3. I'd go for the mk3 over the mk4 any day. It's 100 kg lighter, has more interior room and there's a 5 door hatch instead of a 4-door sedan. The mk3 looks way better than the mk4 too.
I also love the sound of the 3-banger, and find it less "harsh" than the buzziness that most 4's develop when you push them past 4-5k RPM.


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but the challenge is finding a mk3 car in good condition. given their age and the toll of our salty ontario winters, that's getting difficult to do.

before i got my mk4 3-door, i was specifically looking for a mk3 5-door 5-speed. a really nice one is tough to find. and i discovered the 5-door most often came equipped with the automatic transmission, which i didn't want.

i missed out on a '93 3-door, 3-cyl, 5-speed with 19,000 original kms by a couple of hours. still dope-slapping myself over that.

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Good point. We have the same problem here. The city seems to prefer truckloads of salt to proper plowing. Guess I need to learn how to do bodywork.


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The 79-hp four is better, but it's still noisy and the car's ride is bucky, darty at speed. This is old technology: there's just two valves beavering away per cylinder, and the automatic transmission has three forward gears, not four.


Someone didnt do their homework on that one...

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The 79-hp four is better, but it's still noisy and the car's ride is bucky, darty at speed. This is old technology: there's just two valves beavering away per cylinder, and the automatic transmission has three forward gears, not four.


Someone didnt do their homework on that one...

It depends on the model year/engine. There were both 8 valve and 16 valve SOHC Metros.

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Lihtan wrote:
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The 79-hp four is better, but it's still noisy and the car's ride is bucky, darty at speed. This is old technology: there's just two valves beavering away per cylinder, and the automatic transmission has three forward gears, not four.


Someone didnt do their homework on that one...

It depends on the model year/engine. There were both 8 valve and 16 valve SOHC Metros.

But it says 79 HP, which would be the 16-valve.

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I could swear that the 8 valvers also made some ~70 odd HP or so. :dunno:

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Lihtan wrote:
I could swear that the 8 valvers also made some ~70 odd HP or so. :dunno:

Yeah, it's 70 HP. I have one of them. But 70 isn't 79. :)

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