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 Post subject: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:11 pm 
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So, I pull into a parking spot just as the owner of a Smart Car is getting out of hers.
"I have to ask. What kind of gas mileage do you get with your Smart car?"
"If I don't push it out on the freeway I can get 48mpg. I have to use premium though for that little high performance motor".
Grinning, I thanked her and went on my way, very happy with the 48-50 mpg that Copper Top can get at a fraction of the cost of what she paid for hers.
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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:21 pm 
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I think the "Smart" cars have a 1.3 L engine, Which should get good milage....but they skrewwed it up with the Funky semi automatic/manual transmission that is in it... I feel safer doing 75 on the highway in my Swift/Metro than I would in one of those (not So) Smart Cars! Plus I have room for more than just "a" bag of groceries.

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:43 pm 
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i think we only got the diesel version in canada its 0.8L 3cyl

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Wow! I think the EPA rating is only ~ 36MPG, let me look.

Okay, it's 33/41 city/hwy, 36mpg combined. I wonder if she's one of those that does 5mph lower than the posted speed limit to max MPG and doesn't get out of my way.

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:35 am 
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The dumb Smart car has 70 hp from its 3 banger 1 ltr motor. I think she was fibbing about her mileage though. Let's see here haul 8 rims with 245/45/17s in it like I do with my Geo!

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:22 am 
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Yeah, the doors are bigger and the roof line is higher, making it look like it's top heavy, but the car is noticeably shorter. It's like they focused on passenger comfort, but there's very little cargo carrying capacity behind the seats.
Mrs. G-Whiz feels a little claustrophobic riding in Copper Top, doesn't care for the lack of comfort afforded with the stock seats and is admittedly nervous about crash safety. But then again, she's more used to riding in something the size of a Buick Century or Toyota Corolla with all their creature comforts and extra metal. I can't imagine how she would feel riding around in a Smart Car!

We just got rid of her '89 Seville. It had starting issues and only got 12mpg for her (I managed to squeeze 16 out of it while the Copper Top motor was being rebuilt). She loved that car with all it's creature comforts, but it was an albatross around her neck - not worth putting any money into when it started leaving us stranded in parking lots at work and at the store.


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:30 pm 
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Smart fortwo's are very safe for their occupants beleive it or not. It's one of the safest cars out there. But their handling is crap, so you WILL crash the car, but you'll walk out of the wreck unharmed.


What's wrong with the transmission? 6 speed for the 800cc diesel and 5 for the gas 1.0L. They are standard transmissions but they're electrically controlled. There is no torque converter to rob you some mpg and the ecu chooses the right ratio for your condition. You can always manually select the ratio you want tho.


The one and only advantage the geo has over a smart has to be cargo capacity. The 40hp diesel we got in canada is a great little engine with what must be the world's smallest turbo. It's a shame we never got the 700cc turbo gas engine rated at 80 hp. Also check out the smart roadster which made it in mexico but not here. I've seen one at the ottawa car salon it's very small :D



The only reason i don't drive one is the stupidly ridiculously steep price tag. Great car but way overpriced

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:22 am 
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All I know folks is I WANT a canadian Smart car.

For one reason.

to rip that .8l 3cyl diesel engine out and PUT it in my 94 xfi

Oh My God or as the kiddies would say OMG NFW

I think I could easily cream 80-90mpg with that combination :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:03 pm 
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turbohull wrote:
The one and only advantage the geo has over a smart has to be cargo capacity.

The only reason i don't drive one is the stupidly ridiculously steep price tag. Great car but way overpriced


That looks like at least 2 advantages to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:28 pm 
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Here's another thing you guys probably don't know about the SmartForTwo. The reason for the Premium Requirement is that it's German Made. Can anyone say: Mercedes Benz?


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:39 pm 
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and not counting the diesel they don't even get that good a gas mileage.


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:05 pm 
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My neck of the woods is crawling with Smart's, every variant. Notice both the Smart and the Mk4/5 cars have the same 1800 lb curb weight? Win goes to the Zuki with double the cab space. I can fit 1 bale of alfalfa hay or four 50 lb bags of livestock feed or six 8 ft pressure treated 2x4's in the Geo FE (Farm Edition) and drag it all up a 3000 ft mountain every day of the week.

That little 4 valve 1.0 in the smart has set the bar for my 1.0 2 valve build up from the beginning. Mercedes threw everything they had at that 1.0 to get that specific output and I'm knocking on the back door with my blueprinted 20 year old parts collection (normally aspirated, thank you very much). Last fill up showed 44 mpg for combined freeway/city/mountain climbing every day and still no car payment! Win goes to the Zuki again!

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:52 pm 
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87octane wrote:
My neck of the woods is crawling with Smart's, every variant. Notice both the Smart and the Mk4/5 cars have the same 1800 lb curb weight? Win goes to the Zuki with double the cab space. I can fit 1 bale of alfalfa hay or four 50 lb bags of livestock feed or six 8 ft pressure treated 2x4's in the Geo FE (Farm Edition) and drag it all up a 3000 ft mountain every day of the week.

:lol: :lol: I guess that makes my swift a GASFE(GA Small Farm Edition). I have hauled bales of Hay and feed sacks in mine too, I have an Acre and 4 sheep and a bunch of chickens......

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:05 am 
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what do you mean by every variant? I don't think you could have a canadian spec 0.8L turbodiesel in california...

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:20 pm 
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Mis spoke. We've got the gas only, with or without hard top, with all the yuppie accessories. Seems like lots of variants. I'd kill for a 6 or 7 speed anything to put behind a 1.0. That little canadian diesel has me drooling. Tells me DC ain't actually interested in fuel economy, only profit margins...

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:24 pm 
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Truth in advertising - there is none.

If they have to call it 'Smart', then it is anything but.

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:41 am 
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I have a 92 met 4dr auto I drive it like I stole it I put K&M airfilter cleaned cleaned up the Ex lifted it up put 15 rubber it will top at 100 or so at 30-35mpg The lift took the body sway out of it great fun


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:58 pm 
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if i really wanted to save the earth i can easily haul 5 bags
of groceries in paper bags in the trunk of my vert
WITH the top down
(i might have to cram some stuff behind the seats if
we make a run to the sam's club)


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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:16 pm 
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100mph metro wrote:
I have a 92 met 4dr auto I drive it like I stole it I put K&M airfilter cleaned cleaned up the Ex lifted it up put 15 rubber it will top at 100 or so at 30-35mpg The lift took the body sway out of it great fun

I could get 30-35mpg with my 1.0L, and it did 100mph too, except mine did 100mph at the 1/4 mile :lol: :lol: =) but that's off topic...



thought I could post some pics of a nude Smart to make up for my off-topicness
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there's a turbo in there

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 Post subject: Re: Metro vs. Smart Car
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:48 pm 
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I just checked my $200 Fireflys gas milage today. It is an auto and it still got 49.5mpg city/hwy driving. And it has tons of room, 4 doors rule!

I see only a status advantage to the "SMART" car....

If I could choose one car for free but had to drive only it, I would still choose my fly
over a smart car.

Once I had my wife, my bike, my tools, my groceries plus more crap in my fly...my truck is wht I call it.

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