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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:54 pm 
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When engine does warm up the gauge does move a little bit just off the C mark. When I unplug it does move back down about 2mm. When I heat it up (I removed it and boiled the water) to what should be "HOT" the gauge goes higher but does not get to the half way point. So it seems the gauge is Under reading the temperature. I tried a different cluster unit and the gauge does the same thing. I replaced the sender (located on the intake manifold) with a Standard Part TS198T but when I connected it the gauge immediately went to the top (H). Had to place the original back in, I know that if it get anywhere near the halfway mark the car is overheating but i would like for it to read H for someone else driving the car.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:50 am 
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If you dig into a good service manual, you should find Temp vs Resistance charts. Using these charts and a thermometer you should be able to test you sensors

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:08 pm 
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aqqus wrote:
If you dig into a good service manual, you should find Temp vs Resistance charts. Using these charts and a thermometer you should be able to test you sensors


If anyone has a temp vs resistance chart I would love to have it sent to me

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:40 am 
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Give me year make model and power train. It might be a few days but I'll do some digging. You might want to try checking Auto Zone's website. They partntered with Alldata a few years ago. Regisiter a FREE account and you can get access to the repair manual data base.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:27 pm 
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aqqus wrote:
Give me year make model and power train. It might be a few days but I'll do some digging. You might want to try checking Auto Zone's website. They partntered with Alldata a few years ago. Regisiter a FREE account and you can get access to the repair manual data base.


1996 Suzuki swift with 1.0L Carb Engine

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:49 pm 
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test procedure for temp sensor

1. Immerse temperature sensing part of ECT sensor in water (or ice) and measure resistance between sensor terminals while heating water gradually.

2. If measured resistance doesn-t show such characteristic as shown in the figure, replace ECT sensor.

0 degrees - 5.75k ohms
68 degrees - 2.28k - 2.61k ohms reference
104 degrees - 1.15k ohms reference
140 - .584k ohms reference
176 degrees - .303k - .326k ohms

I found this on auto zone's wed site under repair info


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:52 pm 
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my 2 cents: go ahead and fix the gauge temp sender if you like but never trust those gauges... exactly how hot is just above "c" anyway? my gauge works but the difference between 180 and 220 and preparing to overheat is the difference between just under half sweep to just over half sweep look at the graph posted... the resolution of the sensor past 180 is pretty much nill. A mechanical gauge set for oil and water a necessity for every car prior to 2002 or so in my book. while you are checking sensors, check the sensor used by the ECM for water temp (these engines use two) that is the one to really worry about. AF ratios and timing should be affected by that sensor.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:47 pm 
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My car does not have an ECM.. only an A/T controller. My car is a Carburator version, no ECM.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:56 pm 
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sorry. didn't catch the carb part first read. I didnt realize they still offered carb option those years. meh. one more reason to have a manual gauge. everything else is old school.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:04 pm 
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Pics of this mysterious carb? With the air filter removed

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:05 pm 
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newby wrote:
sorry. didn't catch the carb part first read. I didnt realize they still offered carb option those years. meh. one more reason to have a manual gauge. everything else is old school.



They don't. Not on a us spec car.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:34 pm 
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VR4 wrote:
Pics of this mysterious carb? With the air filter removed


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:03 pm 
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ok now I'm curious. I want to know where this car is from. got an emissions label?

is this thing rhd?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:12 am 
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ya my interest is peaked too. god for vacuum lines. reminds me of the California emissions quadra-jets circa 1988


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:08 pm 
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RHD. Took me a while to get the vacuum hoses correct as the previous owners thought they didnt need em... :huh: She runs great for a A/T and almost everything works (except for a low reading temp gauge and broken ignition key)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:09 pm 
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good luck. technically that car shouldn't even be on the road here.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Well it turns out the original replacement part that I got was defective. When I tried a known working unit, the gauge worked properly. I have since gotten new part installed and all is well. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: The part I used is TS198

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:46 pm 
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While you guys may think those carbs are rare, we over here think the opposite... never seen a Hitachi in my life. It all depends of the market I guess. I have some pics in my album about the Aisin carburetor gallery/album.php?album_id=1245

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:21 pm 
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jankoelbola wrote:
While you guys may think those carbs are rare, we over here think the opposite... never seen a Hitachi in my life. It all depends of the market I guess. I have some pics in my album about the Aisin carburetor gallery/album.php?album_id=1245


My Carb is an Aisin Carb as well. Most of our Swifts here are Aisin Carbs. Is that the one you were trying to sell. Did that information I sent to you help at all?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:09 am 
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Didn't you have new Mexico or something listed as your location?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:05 am 
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Didn't you have new Mexico or something listed as your location?
Nope

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:49 pm 
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scubaman wrote:

My Carb is an Aisin Carb as well. Most of our Swifts here are Aisin Carbs. Is that the one you were trying to sell. Did that information I sent to you help at all?

I don't have time to invest into a carb-rebuild now, so I just bookmarked the link you sent me. To be honest I don't think there'll be much interest in the carb if I decide to rebuild it before selling... right now it's totally cleaned up and ready for install (except for the missing main-jet :P ) and I still couldn't get $40 for it. I think I'll just keep it.... who knows, maybe somebody will need it one day.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:45 pm 
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jankoelbola wrote:
scubaman wrote:

My Carb is an Aisin Carb as well. Most of our Swifts here are Aisin Carbs. Is that the one you were trying to sell. Did that information I sent to you help at all?

I don't have time to invest into a carb-rebuild now, so I just bookmarked the link you sent me. To be honest I don't think there'll be much interest in the carb if I decide to rebuild it before selling... right now it's totally cleaned up and ready for install (except for the missing main-jet :P ) and I still couldn't get $40 for it. I think I'll just keep it.... who knows, maybe somebody will need it one day.


I wonder what the cost to ship to Jamaica? and or the cost to ship to USA?

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^^^ Not as much as people would think :P , you have a pm.

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