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Author:  tayor [ Mon May 09, 2005 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  co2

any one try this yet
http://www.cryo2.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=4
im thinkin i might try it

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Mon May 09, 2005 9:34 am ]
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You might as well by you a NOS kit..... i think that will give you more "smile for the bucks" then this...

It does work though......

Author:  BrentN [ Wed May 25, 2005 11:54 pm ]
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Yea it does work.
Honestly though, this is for people with EBC's and fuel controllers/standalones that want more boost. This isn't a daily driver thing, and for a normally boosted car, you can turn up the boost and cool the intake charge, but when the c02 runs out, you'll most likely detonate and then you'll have a hole in your piston.
Neat idea, its the first time that I've seen it implemented. This is the same as water injection, but its just colder, more expensive.
Since this is designed to be used with the hardware that I mentioned above, he's right, you might as well go with nos, plop her on the dyno and make a fuel map for when your ready to use it.

Author:  suprf1y [ Thu May 26, 2005 4:30 am ]
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This is the same as water injection,


This is nothing like water injection.
So far this looks like your 3rd post, and the second one I've had to correct you on. Stop with the BS.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Thu May 26, 2005 7:50 am ]
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superfly's right,...... water injection is based on very different principles then this " Fuel cooler".


I do have my doubts about this system though..... You will have to vapourize the fuel in order to burn it. The lower in temperature it gets the worse it wil vapourize.... i don't know about it.

BUT:

On carburator engines it might do more good then bad. It takes away the chance on "vapour lock" completely. And that's a good thing!

So...... :roll:

Author:  92GT [ Thu May 26, 2005 9:17 am ]
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This company has some products like that and some different stuff.
http://www.cryofuzion.com/

As for gains. Yes there is some. But small ones. If you tune for them they are there. The main help is very hot days at track.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Thu May 26, 2005 10:35 am ]
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quate from the above stated site:

"This extreme cooling effect not only cools the air, thereby creating more horsepower, but it also dries it. Moisture is removed from the air as it enters the motor, which, in turn increases burn rate."


i can say just one word: "CRAP".

You don't get hp by just cooling air, nor removing moisture.

Author:  Kento87 [ Thu May 26, 2005 11:06 am ]
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vloerdwijl wrote:

You don't get hp by just cooling air, nor removing moisture.


Umm yes you do. Cool air is more dense thereby containing more O2 which is needed for the compbstion process. giving you more Power. Learn a bit before you start making blanket untrue statements.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Thu May 26, 2005 2:18 pm ]
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You will need to adjust your fuel to that colder air to. otherwise you won't feel a thing.
OR you were on the rich side.....

Author:  BrentN [ Thu May 26, 2005 2:27 pm ]
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What do you mean this isn't like water injection? Water injection prevents detonation, so does this, they are similar, not the same. Maybe I should have said similar.

Author:  BrentN [ Thu May 26, 2005 7:03 pm ]
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I should have read the product info more, apparently it does not inject Co2 into the intake charge to cool it, it just cools the intercooler, or a part of the intake with co2 gas to try and keep the air charge cool.
So yea, its nothing like water injection, my bad. sorry about that.

Author:  graymeeguts [ Thu May 26, 2005 7:50 pm ]
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Looking at the large pictures of the components, wouldn't that big-ass bulb in the intake tract really cut down on the airflow? It looks like it takes up about 50% of the intake tube......

Also, that thing would have to be pretty darn frickin' cold to cool the intake charge 50 degrees (as claimed) when you consider how fast that hot air is travelling past it. The air-to-cold-bulb-thingy contact time would be a fraction of a second.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Fri May 27, 2005 3:02 pm ]
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Maybe the intake is 50% bigger itself :lol:

You are right when you say it works like an sort of intercooler that cools the ( hot air ) down so you can inject more fuel OR suppress detonation when sudden high boost appears. It is not usable for daily driving....... or you might whant to get a livetime agreement with you local gas supplier.

This way of cooling is rather expensive............ and thus not my kind of type.... :roll:

Author:  graymeeguts [ Fri May 27, 2005 3:59 pm ]
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vloerdwijl wrote:
Maybe the intake is 50% bigger itself :lol:


The website says it comes in 2.5" and 3" diameters. With the bulb-thingy in it, it's probably an effective 1.5" - 2". Kinda like breathing through I straw, I s'pect.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Fri May 27, 2005 4:30 pm ]
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They could have made it more ideal by cooling the outher hull of the tube.

i still don't like it :lol:

Author:  baldurg [ Sat May 28, 2005 11:59 am ]
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well, maybe part of the air cooling comes from the pressure drop across that stupid lookinig bulb thing :razz:

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Sat May 28, 2005 2:07 pm ]
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If its a restricktion, than the pressure goes up? so temp will rise?

But i know what you meant :lol:

Author:  fordem [ Sat May 28, 2005 3:23 pm ]
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That depends on whether you're sucking or blowing.

In a carburettor venturi, the restriction creates a vacuum that pulls the fuel through the jets, temperature drops and in extreme cases icing occurs.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Sun May 29, 2005 4:16 am ]
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you are right in a way,

A direct derivative of the law of boyle is (P1 * V1)/T1 = (P2 * V2)/T2
( law of Boyle-gay lussac )

So it's just a matter of wich way you are looking.....

On an NA car you are right because it ( like you said ) you are sucking the air trough. On a forced inducted car, the pressure is standing in front of the restiction and is pusching trough. The restriction only makes the pressure in front of the obstruction higher.

So I think there was a little mis understanding between us, we were both saying the same thing, only from different angles :lol:

Author:  baldurg [ Mon May 30, 2005 4:31 am ]
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In any case, if you measure temp before and after the bulb you're bound to see a drop in temperature if the flow is enough. A drop in pressure always means a drop in temperature.

Author:  vloerdwijl [ Mon May 30, 2005 8:22 am ]
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okej okej, we have cleared the misunderstanding.....

:wink:

Author:  1992Poddy [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: co2

While I have read these posts I am considering this type of kit for my geo. All I want is a purge for the wow effect at the local shows. Still, it would look sweet to have 2 bulbs attached to my twin air intake. Not looking for power gains but more show than go. Would be interesting to see what type of pickup it would have with it but I think I'll stick to just a purge set up with the engine bay wired up so it looks the part.

Author:  suprf1y [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: co2

Where's Tommy when you need him?

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