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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:52 pm 
Hi,<br><br>I actually own a Samurai. I want to keep the stock motor and would like to get more torque and hp from the factory 1300 motor. The motor seems very sluggish. I have given thought to converting to the 1.6 8V or the 1.6 16V motor. I just want to get about 150hp and about the same amount of torque from either of these motors. Prefer doing it from the stock motor. Can I build the lower end to handle forced induction? The vehicle is a weekend warrior type. So it is mainly driven on the street and highway. Anyway let me know what my options are. I really dont want to spend a ton of money on this project but am willing to listen to what is needed to get there. Also if I am going to spend the same amount of money to get to 200hp as I would to get to 150 let me know.<br><br>Thanks<br>Dave <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/uminipigg.showPublicProfile?language=EN>minipigg</A> at: 3/17/02 9:33:08 pm<br></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:07 pm 
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try <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.puresuzuki.com/samurai2.htm">www.puresuzuki.com/samurai2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> maybe they have some parts that can help you... <p>Never underestimate the power of a suzuki. you could be surprised...</p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:21 pm 
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Grab a GTi motor, slap it in, add turbo/nos/supercharger. You really shouldn't need to build the lower end to handle 150hp on a GTi (forged crank, forged rods stock). Fuel control and timing issues are best dealth with although at 150hp it shouldn't be too big of a problem that hte common adding fuel tricks shouldn't be able to help you with.<br><br><br><br> <p><br><a href="http://www.teamswift.net"><img src="http://members.home.net/2832075173/pics/Swiftafter1c.jpg"></a></img><br>Kyle Jones <b>1989 Suzuki Swift GTi</b><br>Your friendly TeamSwift Op.</p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2002 9:58 am 
Is is 150 or 200 easily attainable without a turbo and NOS? <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2002 6:36 pm 
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nope... Maybe 130hp with carbs and such mods. Basically, you'd need high rpms for a NA motor to get good power. rpms increase tensile stress as the square of the rpms. Turbos induce more of a compressive stress where the peak stress on the piston is already lower... double the torque but not double the stress in case of turbo.<br><br> <p><br><a href="http://www.teamswift.net"><img src="http://members.home.net/2832075173/pics/Swiftafter1c.jpg"></a></img><br>Kyle Jones <b>1989 Suzuki Swift GTi</b><br>Your friendly TeamSwift Op.</p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2002 6:44 pm 
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i saw ad for a swift / gti conversion in my local rag<br><br>90 SUZUKI Samurai eng conversion kit, 1.3L Swift twin cam eng, adds 40 hp, all brackets incl, ECM & wiring harness, 1-3/4" exh, bolts & plug in, $1800. Call (604)599-0121 or Tel: 604-785-3076<br><br>i used to own sammys, you should put a 1.6 sidekick/tracker motor in<br><br>nothing beats cc's <p><P><A HREF="http://www3.telus.net/tc2468/">Tom's Webpage</A></P><P><A HREF="http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/tc2468/swiftgti/ssgti90/ssgti90_pics.html"><IMG SRC="http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/tc2468/small2.gif" BORDER=0 WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=45></A></P></BODY></HTML></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:17 pm 
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hey minipig. I also own several Sammies so if you need any help or info email me and I'll try to help. I'm glad I'm not the only one here on the board with a Samurai now <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Adam <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:54 am 
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The best of the best will be a 1.6 block with the GTi head. This will give you more HP and a lot of torque.<br><br>For the samurai should be easy since theres a lot of parts and they are cheap.<br><br>Bolivar <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2002 5:18 pm 
Well the thing that ticks me off is I am being told the 1300 cant be turbo'd and that the lower end is weak and will break. Plus the vendors in question say the turbo lag is really bad and I wont benefit at all by installing a turbo. Sorry but anything over the 30 or 40 some HP I get to the rear wheels is better then what I have now, turbo lag or not. We are also being told the 1300 or even 1600 8V cant be converted to a 16V DOHC motor. Yes again the vendors are tell us this. I wont mention their names here. No need to being they deal only with Samurai's and other 4x4's. <br><br>Anyway it really erks me when I am told I cant do it when I flat out know I can. Hence my purpose for being here.<br><br>I want to stay with the 1300 motor. If it can take the abuse then I will be happy with it. Currently I am running 30" tires. Drivetrain is stock. I will be going to 4.11 axles. I will go to 31's next year after I get the Spydertrax rear 1/4 elliptical kit and their upcoming front coil suspension kit. After all is said and done I will have about 2K in the suspension.<br><br>As for the turbo I think I would like to try and piece everything together. I have thought about using the system from a 1.0ltr turbo. I thought that might give us a mild enough boost in power to keep me happy until I can set up a better motor.<br><br>With all that said I would like to now hear what others have to say.<br><br>Thanks<br>Dave <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: 1300cc mods
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:22 pm 
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Dave, your on the ORC Suzuki board right? I'm Big Bear there. <br>Anyway to your questions. Well i don't see why you cannot turbo the SOHC 1.3l. The 1.0l's came in a turbo form and they are just a 1.3l with one cyl chopped off. I would go with a small turbo for offroading. Maby the IHI RHB3 off of a 1.0l but keep it at low boost(it won't flow much air). It's not the best turbo but it'll spool up fast for low end torque. I'm working on putting a DOHC 1.3l into my Sammy with a Daytona turbo (eventually twin IHI's). Before I got my hands on my GTi I was going to put a turbo onto my stock SOHC. It would be fairly easy to do if you have a FI Sam but with the carbed one it will have to depend on if you want a blow through or a draw style set-up. Both have their ups and downs email me and I'll got into more detail on them.<br><br>For you suspension ideas I like the spidertrax set-up but for the money you can build three home made set-ups. I'm working on making a 'kik hybred rear with coils and YJ's up front. I'm going to have less than $500 CDN into my complete set-up. It looks like your gonna put Toyota axles into your Sam by your gear selection. My '89 Sammy has toy axles with 4.36 gears and baby lobster tcase and it'll turn 33's without much problems. Anyway like I said email me if you want to discuss it further.<br><br>Adam <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 10:24 pm 
Today I came across an 1988 Isuzu I-Mark Turbo. I can pick the whole car up for real cheap. According to the information I have it will bolt into a Geo Storm which to my understanding also uses the 1.6 Suzuki motor. If this is true then it would only take the adapter for the 1.6 to make this motor work in a Samurai. <br><br>Ok Im ready for everyones thoughts on this one. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 9:47 am 
The Geo Storm is the GM version of the Isuzu Impulse. I don't think their engine is manufactured by Suzuki, nor that it will be a direct fit, but I could be wrong.<br><br>Here's a Geo list with their corresponding Japanese model:<br>1. Geo Metro = Suzuki 1.0L<br>2. Geo Storm = Isuzu Impulse<br>3. Geo Prism = Toyota Corolla<br>4. Geo Tracker = Suzuki Sidekick(Vitara)<br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 2:49 pm 
I guess the question I have stems from what was said on an Isuzu board I visited said the motors in these vehicles have a universal bolt pattern because Isuzu used the same block in different applications that also included joint ventures with different manufactures. Does anyone know, or could they find out, if the Suzuki 1300 or 1600 have the same bolt pattern for the bellhousing as that found on an 1988 Isuzu I Mark turbo.<br><br>Wish I had a bare block I could compare with. and the folks on the other website wont help out. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/uminipigg.showPublicProfile?language=EN>minipigg</A> at: 3/18/02 3:00:11 pm<br></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 11:33 pm 
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hello minipigg<br><br>i think your out of luck if the 1600cc will bolt. as everyone that has done the swap in their swifts 1300 to 1600 has had to weld!!! new bolt locations onto their blocks as the 1600cc are different!!!<br><br>Let me know about the Isuzu if it works / doesn't<br>MURR <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2002 1:09 am 
MURR,<br><br>This is actually going into a Suzuki Samurai. The Samurai uses an adapter plate to mate the 1600 onto the Samurai manual 5 speed. No welding required. What I wanted to know is if the motor mentioned above would work with a Suzuki transmission. <p></p><i></i>


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