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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:12 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 9:12 pm 
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i need a firewire for my camcorder....i tried but i have usb cable..


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:23 pm 
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well 600 miles on it and its still together. my holley is well into healthy V8 territory as far as brake specific fuel consumption #s go....45 squirter, 50cc reo pump and yellow pump cam, 67 mains, 1/16" idle feed restrictions, 2.5 turns out on the screws, 6.5" brpv, and blocked high speed air bleeds. i have done some extended hill climbs from sea level to over 4000' and 10lbs boost for 60 seconds at a time and 5lbs for well over 5 minutes with zero drama and the stock cooling system is doing very well, as is the awsome auto trans! my air fuel ratio cure is spot on from about 13:1 at light cruise, to 11.0:1 under load and boost...i have the analog style g2 innovate wideband and lc2 controller..it is a nice peice and real ez to read. mileage on e85 drivin like a dick and cruising at 70 is a hair over 20mpg with room for improvement. so far i love the power and never could have expected it to be so strong. i am fabbing a magnetic camera mount this weekend to mount behind me for good guage viewing..0-60 is easily in the 4 second range and 0-80 not too long after that. i cruise in my idle circuit at 70mph and less than 1/8 throttle input..im havin a blast. stay tuned for vids....

ps..i definately need a lsd in this thing to put down the power in corners..! and for all you autotrans doubters....get some torque..they are geared great for this combo..feels like a close ratio trans.. just needs a overdrive...autotrans all the way!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:05 pm 
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dude, that is awesome! nice tuning.

if i have 10 psi, i run 10 psi - and not for 30 seconds. :twisted:

i've had quite a few sohc 1.3 autos and 1 gti auto. in a high rev monster like the twincam they are less fun, but i think that overall, the autoboxes are pretty rugged and for transferring torque, you can't beat 'em.

your car must be tons o' fun, though. i've never seen anyone throw the automatics that much love. :ez_pimp:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:00 pm 
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Yup.
That's a pretty awesome buildup. It's good to see something that different.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:27 pm 
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climbing union pass on i-40 from laughlin to kingman it took 2-3 lbs boost, light throttle (20-25%) to maintain 70mph on a steep >8% grade that takes 10-15 minutes to crest...not a single downshift the entire drive! thanks again for the good words.

it is a midrange beast but never runs out of breath when its ran out the back door-just keeps rippin, and the lope is awsome. props on the cam profile! i have to idle it up a bit (it skips along nicely at about 10" vac.) due to the low stall converter which isnt really a problem other than when cold and going from neutral to gear....i want to get some long drive vids so folks can get a idea how this thing goes...guarentee there will be others going this route due to the cost of a used eaton (..my buddie just got a m62 for 50 bones from his local jy)and not to mention the huge power spread. :ez_smokin:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:06 am 
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That's the perfect street/strip type cam. Lot's of lift, and great power from idle to almost 7k.
I wish I could find a M62 for $50 :lol:

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SC swift would be so sweet. i will be getting my old 01 16v 5speed back, so maybe this will be in the worx!!!! mike, i will be putting in your 16v cam asap, i so cannot wait to see how it will perform. i love looking at this thread. good work RTSBLWN!!!! a very different car indeed. love the intake.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:22 pm 
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Hmm... Kinda sounds like this topic....
http://teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28455&hilit=eaton&start=0


I'm glad someone followed through with this idea. I never got around to building it due to lack of cash and all the naysayers............................... :(

RtsBlown, I bet using a 390 Holley would net you better mileage, due to the small venturis. You'd be running on 195 cfm until you stabbed it. What are you running now, the 350 or the 500 cfm?

Another thing that might help mileage would be making a trough inside your intake that was fed by the bypass blade. Box in a channel or pipe with a 3/8" slit lengthwise in it that allows that air to get evenly distributed to all cylinders when under vacuum, fed by the bypass.

Good work, Rts.....

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350cfm...it works so well, im not changing a damn thing LOL. this thing is a frickin beast..
i have never been one to let the what ifs and naysayers shoot me down. tell me i cant do it and watch me!


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suprf1y wrote:
That's the perfect street/strip type cam. Lot's of lift, and great power from idle to almost 7k.
I wish I could find a M62 for $50 :lol:


I've passed up a couple of them because i'm watching for 90's. If i find one, should i pick it up for you?...might be 50 or a bit less, then whatever shipping might be.
Super, a handy guy like you, might watch for the Mazda Millenia S screw blowers.
They sell dirt cheap when in need of seals, but they are a real bitch to get apart...if you're up to the challenge, that might be a better blower.

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I've looked at that blower, but I seem to remember that there was something goofy about it. I don't remember what. I'd take a 62 for the right price, sure :lol:

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I have a m90 that needs seals and a coupler. I was wanting a m62 for mine because i have thought about it sense i got my first swift but never went through with it. The m90 looks like it would be a real tight squeze on the gt. My friend with theyre bonniville gave me this one when i powdercoated theyre ported one. The mazda one is real goofy looking because how long they are and i know that from what ive heard they are very unefficiant compared to the eaton m62 and m90s. I saw a flow chart somewhere showing that the 2nd gen m90 flows the same as the m62 but the 3rd gen m90 flowed a bit more then both. Dont know if that was true or not though. Nice work on the car the would like to see a vid. Thanks Stephen


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:21 pm 
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i must report that the m90 is actually a great match for a 1.3...despite what people would say on other tech boards like honda-tech..! It is actually cool to the touch on my draw through carbed e85 setup after extended cruising..it doesnt have to try real hard..even with belt slip it doesnt loose boost...the 4 rib belt and alternator for a tensioner works excellently, even with the increased drag of the 90"ci charger. just fyi..

a well sorted m62 or m90 on a 1.6/hybrid or gti would be a giant killer... also a tranny breaker for you manual guys..


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:38 pm 
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smore pics....i thinks i need a new coupler for my blower drive but no biggie..typical eaton.


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I know definantly that these things are sized great for a small motor they just arent enough for those 3800 in the 3800-4000lb cars. I would like to get an m62 on one of mine but the turbo one will get done first. And my solution is the hyundai tranny im putting in. Thanks Stephen


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stephennmm wrote:
The mazda one is real goofy looking because how long they are and i know that from what ive heard they are very unefficiant compared to the eaton m62 and m90s.


I can assure you that you heard wrong about the Mazda (IHI) blower being in-efficient.
It's a very well designed screw blower! I like pressure charging, so don't take this as knocking any style of blower, but: the roost blower moves air from one side of a rotor pair, to the other while having to squeeze it out from between the rotor lobes as they come back together on the pressure side. basicaly, it moves air. To make a roots more effecient, the rotors need helix in the rotors so that the air can more easily escape the rotor lobes as they come together on the pressure side. To make this work,the air must be allowed to escape not only from the outside of the rotor lobes, but from the ends of the rotor so the air is moved without too much heat.
Now, in a Lysholm (or screw blower) the air is moved along the length of the rotors with the rotor cavities becoming smaller as they go toward the pressure side of the case. The lysholm is actually a compressor, not just an air mover like the roots. The length of the IHI blower is because air goes in one end, and out the other, and yes, it makes it long, and harder to mount ect. But, inefficient, it is not! The IHI used by mazda has an internal compression of close to 2:1 ...makes it most efficient at around the 14 lb range...exactly what Mazda used it for. The bad rep the blower has is because of the seal design they used rarely makes it past 150,000 without leaking oil into the engine by the cup full each morning for start-up.


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Not only that....

stephennmm wrote:
I know definantly that these things are sized great for a small motor they just arent enough for those 3800 in the 3800-4000lb cars.



Tell that to the guys that run 12's with their 4000 lb 4 dr sedans

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Ok sorry that was what i was hearing mainly from the 3800 guys.As far as the 12s do you know what they have to do to get them in the 12s??? They are a big thing around here and they still commplain about the heat from them. They have to intercool them, port them put a 2.6 or 2.7 pulley on them which is about as small as they can go. The newest gen m90 is about the same as the older m90 ported and polished and still runs a little cooler acording to them. pretty much it takes everything other then touching the bottom end to hit that 12.built tranny the works. But if they turbo them its a hole other story. This is from the about 10 people i know around here that build them and the fastest one r an a 12.7 with the newer one ported, intercooled,................ Thats about max for those blowers on that motor though. not raging on the blower just saying it was never ment for that much on that motor. thanks Stephen


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a ported 90"eaton will support nearly 450hp. a stocker would easily do 350hp worth of flow. this is proven stuff.

think of it this way..i am turning it a bit faster than 1.2:1. at 1:1 it produces 90ci of air in one revolution. our motors are only 90ci..it is way more than enough blower considering my wifes dads gt500 shelby has a 122" blower and is at the 675whp level..and is 5.4 liters..or a bit over 320 ci or close to...


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I know its great for our cars. Im just saying that 12sec thing is max with no nitrous on the 3800. or all the guys around here are doing something wrong. Those motors dont impress me though they dont seem to make near the power they should. 450hp but i havent seen 450whp. but that isnt what this thread is about. It is a nice charger for us but i would like the m62 just for the room because i dont known how well the m90 would fit


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well i couldnt stand it any longer, and adj my bypass screw down a few turns...15lbs boost. feels great. pulls cleanly to the top..i wish air temps would drop 50* or so! still have a few months of the terribly hot stuff..the difference on a cool morn is significant. gonna keep it at 15 for now untill i can monitor air charge temps. i dont think its going to produce much more heat being i am compressing air more, but am not spinning the blower any harder to do it...

e85 is great. you smell like fritos chips after a long drive! currently paying 2.59/gallon for 105 oct. fuel. its a win win in my book. :D


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I agree. Another good thing about E85 is how you catch a whiff of booze when you start it.

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10$ wheel and 40$ tach both like new. fits the budget theme....the car was originally a 400$ craigslist special with a knock! i drove it home later to find half a piston skirt in the pan...i have maybe 2200 in it total now. cheap thrills.

now on to the chassis workin...i hava jd2 with some dies and a tn100..id like to play with some aluminum bracing but will mostlikely go .095" wall hrew. its cheap and strong enough. stay tuned.


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