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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:24 pm 
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OMG! I killed my baby! :(
Pulled the 1.3 and started the swap procedure found the following problems.

1. Which oil pan and pickup do you use??? I tried to put the 1.3 pan on the 1.6 block and the oil pickup tube has a smaller diameter than the hole in the 1.6 block. :shock:

2. Bought a new water pump for the 1.6 and the pulley from the 1.3 is different! (I don't have the 1.6 pulley) Will the 1.3 water pump work on the 1.6 block?

3. Which clutch/pressure plate will work with the stock 1.3 5sp trans?

4. Seems like all of the mounts are bolting on ok, should I be aware of any surprises?

Thanks! I gotta get my baby running again! :P

Car is a stock 99 Metro w/ 1.3 and a 5sp. Donor engine came from a 97 Tracker. I have the adapter plate to connect the trans to the 1.6 block.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:43 am 
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tighed1 wrote:
OMG! I killed my baby! :(
Pulled the 1.3 and started the swap procedure found the following problems.

1. Which oil pan and pickup do you use??? I tried to put the 1.3 pan on the 1.6 block and the oil pickup tube has a smaller diameter than the hole in the 1.6 block. :shock:


So.. what is the problem? You can install your 1.3 pick up tube with the 1.3 oil pan.

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2. Bought a new water pump for the 1.6 and the pulley from the 1.3 is different! (I don't have the 1.6 pulley) Will the 1.3 water pump work on the 1.6 block?


Yes

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3. Which clutch/pressure plate will work with the stock 1.3 5sp trans?


The 1.3 flywheel & PP with 1.3 starter.

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4. Seems like all of the mounts are bolting on ok, should I be aware of any surprises?


Half shaft will require some modifications to fit the 1.6 block.

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Car is a stock 99 Metro w/ 1.3 and a 5sp. Donor engine came from a 97 Tracker. I have the adapter plate to connect the trans to the 1.6 block.

What are your plans to make it work with the stock harness?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:32 pm 
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Jardamuth wrote:
tighed1 wrote:

Pulled the 1.3 and started the swap procedure found the following problems.

1. Which oil pan and pickup do you use??? I tried to put the 1.3 pan on the 1.6 block and the oil pickup tube has a smaller diameter than the hole in the 1.6 block. :shock:


So.. what is the problem? You can install your 1.3 pick up tube with the 1.3 oil pan. The pickup tube on the 1.3 is way smaller in diameter thatn the hole it mounts in on the 1.6 block. How to make it work? (Small peg in a BIG hole?).

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2. Bought a new water pump for the 1.6 and the pulley from the 1.3 is different! (I don't have the 1.6 pulley) Will the 1.3 water pump work on the 1.6 block?


Yes Sweeeet!

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3. Which clutch/pressure plate will work with the stock 1.3 5sp trans?


The 1.3 flywheel & PP with 1.3 starter.

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4. Seems like all of the mounts are bolting on ok, should I be aware of any surprises?


Half shaft will require some modifications to fit the 1.6 block. What/why will the shaft require mods if I am using the stock tranny?

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Car is a stock 99 Metro w/ 1.3 and a 5sp. Donor engine came from a 97 Tracker. I have the adapter plate to connect the trans to the 1.6 block.

What are your plans to make it work with the stock harness? Using the 1.3 head and sensors on the transplanted 1.6 block. Don't think harness should be a problem. Will it be?


Thanks for your comments and assistance! :D


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:23 pm 
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Did you pick a 1.6 from the sidekick? The sedan usually share the same pan, so the pick up tube from the 1.6 should work with the 1.3 pan.

As for the half shaft, you will have to see by yourself. The holes doesn't align.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:30 pm 
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Jardamuth thanks again for coming to my aid!

Yes, engine came from a tracker (sidekick). The oil pickup tube mounting hole on the 1.6 block is bigger than the 1.3 pickup tube. I plan on cutting the big 1.6 mounting tube and welding it to the 1.3 tube. Will then be able to run the 1.3 pan.

The trans adapter kit came with a plate that I think may have something to do with the half shaft alignment problem.

If I don't have to work this weekend I'll try to get back on this.
Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:30 am 
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Not sure I like the welding idea on this a critical part. I probably have a few in the shop. Do you want me to put one in the mail for u?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:00 pm 
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Woo-hoo! Solved the oil pan problem by cutting the 1.6 oil pickup tube about an inch above where it exits the block. I then cut the portion that connects to the engine block off of the 1.3 pickup tube. Inserted the smaller diameter 1.3 tube into the larger 1.6 tube and welded it up. PERFECT! 1.3 pan is now installed on the 1.6 block.

As is the 1.3 water pump.
Today I do the clutch, pressure plate and head.

Any tips on setting the valves? stock 1.3 head.
Thanks! I can now see the end of the tunnel!!!!! :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:57 pm 
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Update:

Valves done.

Having to modify the adapter plate so it will work on the trans-mounted engine. What a PITA! I hope this is all worth it!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:14 pm 
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:( Stuck again :cry:

Got the trans and engine together. Attempted to mount the 1.3 starter and it hits the side of the block, and the adapter plate has extra material that prevents the starter from sitting properly in the trans. So I used a grinder to remove the extra material. Still have the interference with the block.
What to do????
Guess it's on hold again...
Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:16 pm 
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Alright, did some jury-rigging to get the 1.6 starter mounted and it works.
Engine and trans are assembled and ready to drop in this weekend.
Hope the issue with the cv shaft you mentioned doesn't keep me from getting on the road this weekend.
Any more tips?
more later...


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:49 pm 
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I'm baaaaaaack!
Still not running. Hope this post helps others to know what issues to expect.
Car has no spark at all and throws no fault codes. Fuel is present. The service manual provide some insight as to why there is no spark. Seems that the crank postion sensor (CPS) is responsible for sending a signal that the computer uses to fire the coils. Pulled the connector to the CPS, cranked the engine and was presented with an expected code of 335 (CPS fault code). Then took the CPS out and used a small screwdriver to simulate the "teeth" on the crank and got the engine to at least fire a few times where as I got absolutely no fire before.
I think the problem may be because I am using the 1.6l crank pulley (which has the "teeth" that control spark). Next I will swap back to the the 1.3 crank pulley to see if it will send the proper signal to fire the coils.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:10 pm 
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Woo-hoo! Up and running! :D :D :D
Problem WAS the crank pulley. Found out what Jardamuth was talking about in reference to the half shaft not lining up. I elongated the hole closest to the trans, cut the other hole completely open so I could get a bolt through it.
Took first test drive and could notice the difference! Got home to find out that I had a front crank seal leak. Tried to get away cheap and not replace it while I was swapping in the 1.6. A $7 mistake! Just replaced it tonight. Will have to test drive tomorrow after I button things back up.

Is anybody reading this???????? Anybody care!? :?:


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tighed1 wrote:
Is anybody reading this???????? Anybody care!? :?:

I'm reading it. :)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 3:51 pm 
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I'm reading it but I don't care. 8)


Nahhh! just kidding dude, Keep up the good work!

Btw, consider yourself lucky it's not the rear seal that's leaking.


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Well how fast is this bitch?

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Yeah, I'd like to hear more about it too.


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I'm all ears. I wanna know more! :lol: :wink:


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Where did you get the trans adaptor? And do you have pics of the swap. I just got a good deal on a tracker motor. Any help would be appreciated.


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94geometro wrote:
I'm all ears. I wanna know more!


94geometro wrote:
I'm all ears. I wanna know more!


94geometro wrote:
I'm all ears. I wanna know more!


94geometro wrote:
I'm all ears. I wanna know more!





So how about it anything new on this setup?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:39 pm 
Fascinating!

Keep up the good work, research is invaluable.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:27 am 
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WOW! Sorry to have left ya all.
Been out driving the "Big Block" Metro!
All problems were solved and the car has been driven to death! NO PROBLEMS 'cept I jacked up 2nd gear.
Bought a rebuilt placement tranny (with a bent shift fork) so the trans needs 2nd gear fixed using parts from both trannys.
Still drive the car just rev it out in first and then hit third. Will work great this way until the new owner makes the repair.

Will be prepping the car for Ebay sale this weekend so if you have any questions I will check in now and then to answer them.
Car gets 36 -38 mpg while being driven fairly hard. With the "Big Block" in it you can surprise a lot of folks! FUN FUN FUN!
Selling car cuz I have 18 cars and I need to downsize!

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