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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:58 pm 
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I'm lazy to do some searching cause there are way too many articles in wich write theese things... :)
Afterall, I'm not so often in this forum, so I would probably search for it for a years... xD



OK, so, what do I need to get this thing working except G16B block, GTi head and "custom" head gasket...?

What about bigger injectors...?
Wich transmisson (GTi, or regular G16B)...?

And what about installing the engine and modifying the engine mounts?



Need just a quick answers, or some links from the searching...
Thx in advanced!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:38 pm 
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ill be the first to tell you to do your homework, you wont have someone here that will post the answers and youll magically have it working. theres alot more to it than I think you think there is

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 4:54 am 
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Heheh...
I know there is a lots of work to be done and surely it's not a piece of cake, but I assume there are many of U who will be glad to discuss this although there are many threads with this topic...

Did someone wrote "tutorial" or a review on how to do this...?
Like common problems, barriers when building something like 1.6 L conversions and so...


Afterall, I'm looking some material to do some reading/learning and not that someone will "magicaly do this thing working for me"... =)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:20 am 
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yes there are tutorials around the web, mostly the samurai and sidekick guys have done the swap, and in their documentation theres some steps you can skip because you arent placing the engine in that configuration. but honestly, I dont remember where I found them, im pretty sure I found the links on the site here and then went to 3rd party sites to read about it. the 1.6 bottom end is garbage compared to the forged internals of the 1.3 though. I was going to build a 1.6 gti with boost, but decided against it because of the cost of upgrading the internals wasnt worth it

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:01 pm 
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OK, Sidekick/Samurai is totally different story, cause of the engine position/placing and 4WD... I don't want to do that... :)
I "simply" want to replace my bottom end...


btw, few days ago, my swift betrayed me again... I think the flying bearing [I think it's called that {bearing between crankshaft and the piston rod}] broke...
That is the reason cause I'm questioning about this conversion...
If I'll need to replace the whole block (bottom part) [AGAIN], maybe it would be good to do somethig like this, first of all to get my car working and for the second, to gain little more power (I think that would be the cheapest version to get, let's say 20 hp)...



U want to say that this "setup" isn't good...?
Would it be better not to do this and better stick to G13B...?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 2:22 pm 
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yeah well you get what you get, just skip the parts about mounting a custom dist and what not, just see what they did, what timing belt they used etc. Im sure you could just search here and get the numbers too

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 3:05 pm 
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Ahhh, I see that I'll need to do search...


...What do U think, wich tranny would be better for this conversion...?
GTi tranny or the "regular" one...?

P.S. One friend told me that the clutch set for G16B tranny costs around 1000$ in my country... :shock:
He is serious about this, but somehow I doubt it's so expensive or is it true...?

OK, the prices aren't the same in the USA for exampe and in Croatia, but how can it cost so much? :?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:12 pm 
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get the bell housing from the swift sedan which also runs the G16 block...it fits onto the 1.3L gearbox nicely...and u wont have to modify the bellousing to make it fit like what i did...gaskets normal GTI gaskets can be used...no worries...also engine mounts are a direct bolt on.
http://www.redlinegti.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34636
heres my buildup....hope this helps...but remember that unless u balance and lighten the internals...anything 6500rpms is not reccomended on this block as its a long stroke engine...


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:43 am 
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Finally someone who is willing to help (spam =) ) a lil' bit...
I've red that topic of yours, it's simple and has a lots of pics in it... :thumbsup:



So, U can assemble 1.6 bell housing onto the GTi gearbox...? It's nice... :D
But one thing is bothering me... Wouldn't it be better to have 1.6L gearbox instead od GTi...?

OK, GTi gearbox is "faster", but somehow I think that the "normal" gearbox would be better for "every day driving car", afterall I'm not going to streetrace all the time... :P
Will the 1.6L gearbox endure [I think that's the right word] all that power/torque...?


And one more thing...
What about the injectors? Would the GTi's fit good?



Thx 4 the answers... ;)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:57 am 
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youll be figuring out how to mount that 1.6 and its shift linkage

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:38 pm 
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dude still if u go for that g13b gearbox on g16a block

don't forget that u will be using clutch set of 1300cc not 1600cc that would be a bit risky in sense of slipping


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:56 pm 
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I went through this whole stage too, and decided against it

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:54 am 
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mzeeshan wrote:
dude still if u go for that g13b gearbox on g16a block

don't forget that u will be using clutch set of 1300cc not 1600cc that would be a bit risky in sense of slipping

I dont seem to have any problems @ all with my clutch setup...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:03 am 
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sixthy wrote:
Finally someone who is willing to help (spam =) ) a lil' bit...
I've red that topic of yours, it's simple and has a lots of pics in it... :thumbsup:



So, U can assemble 1.6 bell housing onto the GTi gearbox...? It's nice... :D
But one thing is bothering me... Wouldn't it be better to have 1.6L gearbox instead od GTi...?

OK, GTi gearbox is "faster", but somehow I think that the "normal" gearbox would be better for "every day driving car", afterall I'm not going to streetrace all the time... :P
Will the 1.6L gearbox endure [I think that's the right word] all that power/torque...?


And one more thing...
What about the injectors? Would the GTi's fit good?



Thx 4 the answers... ;)


GTI injectors will do just fone but u'll need to get an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator and also @ the same time install an Sr20 throttle body as this gyu needs more air due to the larger displacement...having an aftermarket ECU is also a must as i've found out that my car's running real lean (22.4:1 at idle and 19:1 at high RPMS!!) maanged to compensate by increasing the fuel pressure to 3.7 bar(4 bar under vaccum) and now its 15:1 during idling and 12.9:1 at high rpms


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:35 am 
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GTI injectors will do just fone but u'll need to get an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator and also @ the same time install an Sr20 throttle body as this gyu needs more air due to the larger displacement...having an aftermarket ECU is also a must as i've found out that my car's running real lean (22.4:1 at idle and 19:1 at high RPMS!!) maanged to compensate by increasing the fuel pressure to 3.7 bar(4 bar under vaccum) and now its 15:1 during idling and 12.9:1 at high rpms


Hmmm... An SR20 TB...?
Where the heck should I find that? :huh:
...Any alternative?

And for the ECU, I've got Vela's chip switch [ viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23589&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=chip+switch ]...
Do U think it should do fine for 1.6 GTi...?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:57 am 
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NO thats not good enough as its designed with a 1.3L engine in mind and not a 1.6...so there will be differences....get a piggyback or a standalone ECU...thats your best bet...the last thing u want is your engine to run lean


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:13 am 
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4 banger wrote:
the last thing u want is your engine to run lean


Heheh...
True... :)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:02 am 
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Hmmm...

A friend of mine (mechanic) says that I don't need a different ECU, that stock GTi chip will do just fine...
...And also, one guy in Croatia has this conversion too, and he's runnin' a stock GTi chip...

On his conversion, he has a thinner head gasket and a fuel pressure regulator... And ofcourse, G16B block + GTi head + GTi tranny...
He has 15,4XX on 1/4 of mile and says that a car is going fast like hell... :?


But I think maybe he moved a little forward his ignition timing...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:03 am 
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with the amount of work required to fit a gti gearbox on a 1.6 block, the 1.6 trans should have been used and have that fabbed up

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:27 pm 
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according to my assumptions the rpm should be constant i.e 6500 max but due to double over head cam advantage the hp will increase

but my question is how to increase rpm

by changing high compression piston
by boring and using oversize piston

or any other ideas ?


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balancing the whole bottom end would be a good idea...my crank is knife edged and balanced....


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:49 am 
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sixthy wrote:
Hmmm...

A friend of mine (mechanic) says that I don't need a different ECU, that stock GTi chip will do just fine...
...And also, one guy in Croatia has this conversion too, and he's runnin' a stock GTi chip...

On his conversion, he has a thinner head gasket and a fuel pressure regulator... And ofcourse, G16B block + GTi head + GTi tranny...
He has 15,4XX on 1/4 of mile and says that a car is going fast like hell... :?


But I think maybe he moved a little forward his ignition timing...


well that might work as well cos u can use the fuel pressure regulator to make sure that the car dosent run lean but if u are going towards this direction i really suggest that U get a promgrammable ECU so that u'd be able to fully maximise the potential of your setup...oh yea btw a HD clutch is reccomended...my new clutch started slipping after 1300kms of highway and city driving :?


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dude inspite of replacing the chip how to increase the rpm if using carby thats my question


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:46 am 
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I doubt I'm going to do a conversion... :|
I simply cannot do it by myself and can't find someone who wants to do this...

4 banger wrote:
oh yea btw a HD clutch is reccomended...my new clutch started slipping after 1300kms of highway and city driving :?

Heh...
My friend also needs to replace his clutch... :mrgreen:

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mzeeshan wrote:
dude inspite of replacing the chip how to increase the rpm if using carby thats my question

there is no need to cos the carb dosent have a rev limiter...@ most a stop screw which limits the throttle plate travel(depends on design though) if u run a carb u'll need a standalone ECU thats for sure..


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