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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:44 pm 
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First off, if you are relatively stock or have a few mods there is no reason why you shouldn't save yourself the money and buy a stock-type replacement. Apparently there are certain versions of cheapo replacements that are actually better than the stock disc (bigger clutch disc center). These are PHC Valeo and from my experience in Canada they come in Fenco replacement clutch kits which include disc/plate/release bearing. This set-up cost me $180CDN and held up under 50-60hp worth of nitrous as well as turbo abuse. The only problem I ever had, would be slip if I absolutely wanted to bag my transmission from one gear to the next. And in this case, it probably saved my transmission. In normal road-course racing/well behaved drag racing it would hold consistently.<br><br>If you are planning on serious mods, you have start looking into upgrades. <br><br>I know of a several racers who have used upgraded pressure plates with increased clamp and the same PHC disc with success. Upgraded plates seem to vary from 1200lb-2500lb. If the plate is designed properly pedal feel won't be change dreastically and it should still be driveable while holding the power you need. <br><br>Just so no one is mis-informed, like I feel I was... Rospen Motorsports sells their Heavy-Duty clutch kit as a 1400lb. pressure plate along with the PHC disc. I was a bit flustered when I first saw this, alhtough it should work fine. If I experience otherwise while it is on my car, I'll be sure to change this to 'stay away'. This clutch should hold into the 13s in the 1/4 mile, but like I said... time will tell.<br>Other clutch kits.... ACT 4-puck/RZM 2500lb pressure plate/etc. maye be better options for supremely high hp cars. ... <br><br>I'll let other people add comments on other clutches. Be sure to include desired hp levels and such with your recommendations. <p>-Kyle Jones <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift GTi</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 3:31 pm 
ha! whatteee i like that Act but pr16v used it and it didn't hold up! i guess! but i like the price and you can still drive it on the street! you see rubberburn's video what clutch doe's he have cuz it held up for a while in that video! the engine never bogged or revved high! and the trans held up to i was surprised!!!!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>tell me what part # for this clutch kit! fenco! right? do they ship to the us? i need a clutch again!! fly wheel need resurface! <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2003 5:51 pm 
My 2¢ based only in my personal experience.<br><br>Agree with Whateee, I remember that I once used a Valeo clutch, which is a Korean brand, and it did pretty well. This was before the turbo setup. price was US $90 for disc, clutch and TO bearing. After that I installed an ACT and did a flywheel resurfacing. It slipped when doing a burnout in 1st gear and shifting into 2nd with the car almost stopped at 6500+ RPM's. While normal driving at 12 PSI slippage was minimum but was there. Then I switched to(after my 2nd tranny) a Cf Dual Friction and it's worst than the Valeo. When I hard shift into 2nd you can smell burnt clutch for a few minutes and I had to lower the max PSI to 8 and still it slips no matter what gear I'm in. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Only good thing is that my tranny will last longer.<br>A friend of mine used an ACT in his Samurai but he resurfaced his flywheel with a step on it. I mean the area where the clutch touches the flywheel is higher than where the pressure plate bolts to the flywheel. This is supposed to increase the clamping pressure. My next clutch will be a Clutch Master as it can't be worst than CF DFII. Actually I don't think there's anything worst than a CF DFII.<br><br>Wilfredo <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pr16vturbo>PR 16V Turbo</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.ezboard.com/ezgfx/globalWhite.gif" BORDER=0> at: 2/5/03 4:55:58 pm<br></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:17 am 
pr16v or whattee how can i getthis clutch?<br>what .com or site can i get this from <br>also pr16v i have nestor's car article but i can't read this spanish tell me what magazine they got this from "la confinada racing" article!! the mag said sc4 ago september 2001 page 19 <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 1:17 am 
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did you resurface your flywheel when you put in the CF DF? I wonder if there was residue or damage from the other clutches? I put one in my N/A car 6 months ago and it hasn't slipped once. <p>1989 Suzuki swift GTi<br>1970 AMX 360,auto,A/C<br></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 3:43 pm 
1st question:<br><br>The magazine is "Super Compact" a PuertoRican racing magazine. The car is not Nestor's, he just sold the owner some parts and provided ideas. The owner is Octavio alias Taby. He works as a security officer in a correctional institution. That's why he called his car "La Confinada" which means "Female Prisoner".<br><br>2nd Question:<br><br>Before I installed the CF DF, I sent the flywheel for a "stone" resurfacing (don't know the correct term in English). Instead of using a milling machine or a lathe they put it flat in a machine and run a "grinder like" wheel over it. This is supposed to be the best method and is recommended by CF people.<br><br>Wilfredo <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2003 9:28 pm 
I have a cf dual friction and it SUCKS. I got the flywheel resurfaced at a local shop. They took 9/32 of i think cant remember exactly anyways. I did the proper brake in and the clutch held good for about 3 days. Then i noticed it get progressively weeker. At the end of 7 quartermile runs she wouldnt even chirp second. Pathetic really. My dad has one in his mustang and its the balls. Itll chirp 4th on a cold night. Third gear whenever he slams it its awesome but for the swift they suck. I hope to get a cluthc masters soon. My car will not slip the clutch under acceleration hardly ever and it is very slight. But then again my car is a 3 cyl. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> It is fast and the cf df just aint enough. That just my opinion.<br>George<br>91 T3VERT<br>94 XFi 2 GTi <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: new clutch
PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:24 pm 
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hey, whattheee.... u said there was a good clutch from PCV Valeo. where can i get a hold of a complete clutch kit from them? thanks,<br> ccRacer <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 3:20 pm 
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Great I just ordered a centerforce df clutch. Totally missed this post. I looked at clutch masters site but I only saw the direct oem replacement. Do they make a tougher one? Most peoples opinion on ACT was junk. HELP! If this clutch sucks I'm sending it back. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:21 pm 
the cf df clutch is very sensitive to your break in period. i followed all instructions to the letter...breaking in for 5-600 miles..I had no problems even doing 7500 rpm speed shifts. sold that car to a co-worker(who promptly tore the car up) and the clutch stil held...he lost the car to the cops and I saw it about a year later...couldn't verify if it had the same clutch or not though....what about the clutches from avo turboworld?? has anybody from down under put one of these in? what results? <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2003 2:22 am 
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Hi,<br>Just like to add to this clutch topic.<br>There is a local clutch specialist here in Brisbane that has various clutches for suzukis.The std clutch from the factory is made by Daikin,std clamp is something like 800lbs.<br>This guy does clutch covers with 1200 lbs, 1600lbs and 2000lbs clamp pressure.they all use the std Daikin plate.<br>I had the 1600lbs clamp in my hillclimb car all last season and it never slipped once,at the end of the year I took it back to the shop for him to check it out as I wanted to do a week long rally with it,it was perfect so I put it back in,then I used it with the supercharger on the dyno,no problem,just recently I used it on the engine dyno with my turbo engine,even at full load there was no slip(240hp/165ftlbs torque)<br>What I am getting at is the std plate seems to be able to cope as long as you use a cover with plenty of clamp.<br>The good news is there cheap too,$305 inc gst Australian for the 1600lbs cover,new Daikin plate and relese brg.<br>Slightly more expensive for the 2000lb version.<br>The guy is not on the internet but I will get his contact details and post them in this thread.<br> Cheers Dave <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:19 pm 
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Yo dmwdave!<br><br>Those pressure plates sounds very impressive. I have an AVO clutch, pressure plate and t/o bearing on my turbocharge ssgti and @ 10psi boost it slips during casual gear changing.<br>Avo clutch/pressure plate a no-no.<br><br>I'll like to get the info for the clutch guy in AUS. Which combo would you recommend for a ssgti @ 18psi during drag<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:08 am 
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Hi,<br>The guys to talk to are<br>Direct Clutch Services<br>4 Bimbel st<br>Albion<br>Brisbane<br>Ph07 38622680<br>Fax07 32629250<br>For drag racing I would go for the 2000lb clamp,they can also do a paddle type plate with shock springs,if you are driving it on the road aswell the paddle type can be very annoying because there action is more on/off rather than progressive like a std one.<br> Dave <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:20 am 
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Thanks for posting that up Dave. I was hoping you would! <p>-Kyle Jones <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.angelfire.com/de/ksj/myswift.html"><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Junk-Yard Turbo set-up, formerly NOS-fed, constantly evolving 1989 Suzuki Swift GTi</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:01 am 
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Dave,<br><br>Is this company also known as Jim Berry Clutches in Brisbaine. If so, I have bought modified pressure plates off him and using the standard clutch have had no problems in our rally cars.<br>In my turbo car though, I used an Extreme plate and brass/ceramic mix clutch which is still going strong 12 months on. Extreme are in Adelaide but not sure of contact details.<br><br>Shane <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: new clutch
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:13 pm 
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Hi,<br>No sk4wd jim berry is another clutch guy,ive never dealt with him ,so I cant comment on his products,but he does supply /make a lot of race clutches for the club car guys.<br> Dave <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 4:47 pm 
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Hi guys, <br><br>A friend of mine, who rally a 1600DOHC ssgti said he had numerous clutch problems and was advised to try a suzuki samurai pressure plate and it worked for him.<br><br>Does anyone know what is the clamping force of a stock suzuki samurai pressure plate and do you think it'll work for a turbocharge motor? <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:13 am 
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ROFL, I just bought a Centerforce DF kit for my '88 Turbo Firefly<br><br>Is it important to use their release bearing rather than another? I can't get one in for a month, while the clutch kit can be here tomorrow.<br><br>I guess I'll follow the break in procedure to the letter, and hope it works out. I'm only aiming for 150-200hp tops. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: clutch recomendations
PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 9:49 pm 
i have a dohc1600 and i have had lots of problems with my clutch,one of them being the engine just seems to be revin' too fast,and you dont smell the clutch burnin'. On inspection, i would find the clutch disc glazed, whitch would suggest that the clutch slipped and did the glazing. what would you guys recomend to hold the torque of the 16 . Did anyone else ever hear about the samurai presure plate being used? I dont realy want to import a clutch kit if this will help <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Calmini Clutch kits
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 1:15 am 
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Has anyone tried the Calmini clutch & Pressure plate kit?

Just wondering...
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 Post subject: new clutch company
PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:13 pm 
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http://www.capclutch.com in puertorico check it out! looks like act yellow and all but $209.00usd


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has anyone actually tried/tested the Exedy clutch kits ?
i found <a href="http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?t=2070&highlight=exedy">this old thread </a>, but nothing to follow it up w/.
for their price ($85us for a whole kit on ebay), they look awefully tempting.


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n1tr0 wrote:
has anyone actually tried/tested the Exedy clutch kits ?
i found <a href="http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?t=2070&highlight=exedy">this old thread </a>, but nothing to follow it up w/.
for their price ($85us for a whole kit on ebay), they look awefully tempting.

I don't have any perosnal experiance with Exedy but I do know 2 guys that are runing Exedy kits on their turbo dsm and have no complaints.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:45 am 
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dmwdave wrote:
Hi,<br>Just like to add to this clutch topic.<br>There is a local clutch specialist here in Brisbane that has various clutches for suzukis.The std clutch from the factory is made by Daikin,std clamp is something like 800lbs.<br>This guy does clutch covers with 1200 lbs, 1600lbs and 2000lbs clamp pressure.they all use the std Daikin plate.<br>I had the 1600lbs clamp in my hillclimb car all last season and it never slipped once,at the end of the year I took it back to the shop for him to check it out as I wanted to do a week long rally with it,it was perfect so I put it back in,then I used it with the supercharger on the dyno,no problem,just recently I used it on the engine dyno with my turbo engine,even at full load there was no slip(240hp/165ftlbs torque)<br>What I am getting at is the std plate seems to be able to cope as long as you use a cover with plenty of clamp.<br>The good news is there cheap too,$305 inc gst Australian for the 1600lbs cover,new Daikin plate and relese brg.<br>Slightly more expensive for the 2000lb version.<br>The guy is not on the internet but I will get his contact details and post them in this thread.<br> Cheers Dave <p></p><i></i>


Hi Dave, may I know this guy's contact like email as I am looking for a clutch which can withstand about 200-220whp on my turbo GTi. Something like yours. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Clutch Masters
PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:28 am 
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hi ppl, does anyone here used a Clutch Masters Performance Clutch (FX400 Series) in they car, im thinkin about gettin one of these.


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