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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:48 am 
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What final ratio has sedan 1,3l and what 1,6l?

sedan 1.3l using the same GS gearbox(3.5:1).
Sedan 1.6 has a 3.7:1 final ratio

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O.K.

What about speed ratio and gearing inside gearbox sedan 1,6l ,are the parts interchangable?


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I have refresh first post with 4WD gearbox but not complet and with new datas from previous posts.If someone know let us know. Thanks.


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finally installing the 4.4 FD. I've compared the 4.4 input shat and crown wheel and its a abit smaller then GTI input shaft and crown wheel. Is there any disadvantage ?


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Dattman wrote:

Most swifts use the first gearset including most North American gti's.
RHD drive market Gti's and Euro Gti's have the closer ratio gearset.

All Gti's regardless of gearset use a 4.1 final drive and stronger diff.
There is no factory 3.7 ratio as far as I am aware.

Yes the mk1's have the same ratio's as mk2/3 even though they are completely different.

Suzukird have lots more ratio's listed if you have more money than sense :lol:


I am getting a transmission from a junkyard dealer in the US from a 94 GTI, would that be a close ratio gearset??

I have a RHD 93GTI (Japan), the ratios are very close (the fifth pulls like 4th),

should I take a chance and buy it?? I can also get a transmission from a 90 GTI from Canada for less , is there a diference between the trans. from a 90 and 93 GTI

My current transmission got damaged when someone recommended that I use a certain type of gear oil. The tranny got damaged, found some teeth floating in the oil, and its leakin oil onto the clutch.
I was going to buy the trans. from Canada because its very cheap but I want it to work the same as my old gearbox.

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the canadian gti will have the "close"er ratio box

my '89 gti which is a US car did NOT come witht he close ratio box
I don't know 100% if they changed that... so you're better off with the canadian box.



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Dattman wrote:

Most swifts use the first gearset including most North American gti's.
RHD drive market Gti's and Euro Gti's have the closer ratio gearset.

All Gti's regardless of gearset use a 4.1 final drive and stronger diff.
There is no factory 3.7 ratio as far as I am aware.

Yes the mk1's have the same ratio's as mk2/3 even though they are completely different.

Suzukird have lots more ratio's listed if you have more money than sense :lol:


I am getting a transmission from a junkyard dealer in the US from a 94 GTI, would that be a close ratio gearset??

I have a RHD 93GTI (Japan), the ratios are very close (the fifth pulls like 4th),

should I take a chance and buy it?? I can also get a transmission from a 90 GTI from Canada for less , is there a diference between the trans. from a 90 and 93 GTI

My current transmission got damaged when someone recommended that I use a certain type of gear oil. The tranny got damaged, found some teeth floating in the oil, and its leakin oil onto the clutch.
I was going to buy the trans. from Canada because its very cheap but I want it to work the same as my old gearbox.

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Got a white speedo drive [17 teeth ] from a MK2 four door three cyl.

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A quick question about a GTi an a GS gearbox speed.

I want to have more grip,so i want to buy a GS gearbox.
Becouse of the higher final ratio it shal give less wheelspin with a sprint,but should it have the same speed dip wich you have with the GTi gearbox going in 2nd??
Or is the GS gearbox worse,and wil it give a huge dip or so?
Shouldnt be,becouse the ratio's of the 1st and 2nd gear are the same as the GTi,exept for the 3th,that wil give me a dip!?
I do have 137Pk and 140nm of torque.
Hope someone can give me some info. :wink:

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Nobody has an answer?? :(

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Translate "grip" you mean torque and acceleration power?
"dip"=???!


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Comrade wrote:
Translate "grip" you mean torque and acceleration power?
"dip"=???!


More grip=more traction i mean. :D
And when you changes gear (like 1st til 2nd) the revs go from 7000rpm till 4000rpm and 3000rpm is to much difference. (so that gives a dip)
And the GTi gearbox has this,going from 1st til 2nd.
Like ging from 2nd till 3rd the revs are changing from 7000rpm to 5500rpm,so thats good for speeding up again in revs.
Is this a sofar good explenation? (sorry for it im Dutch)

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If you want more grip (traction) than don't buy GS gearbox because on GS gearbox speed ratio is to long between speeds and you will have huge RPM dip.Gearbox GS ratio is made for dayli drivers and long highway travle.Speed Gear ratio on GTi are the closest of all gearbox.
If you want better grip (traction) then open the gearbox and put the highest final ratio 4,39 (18x79) from model 1,0l 3 cylinder.


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Ok!

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Swift 1.3 GS MK2(the fastest gearbox-recommended for long high-way cruise)-(parts interchangable with GTi)

1st 12 x 41 (3,416) (same as GTi)
2nd 19 x 36 (1,894) (same as GTi)
3rd 25 x 32 (1,280) (longer than GTi?)
4th 35 x 32 (0,914) (longer than GTi?)
5th 33 x 25 (0,757) (longer than GTI?)
Rev 11 x 29 x 36 (3,272)

Final ratio 21 x 74 (3,523:1) (longer than GTi)



Swift 1.3 GTi MK2,MK3

1st 12 x 41 (3,416) (same as GS)
2nd 19 x 36 (1,894) (same as GS)
3rd 24 x 33 (1,375) (shorter than GS?)
4th 33 x 34 (1,030) (shorter than GS?)
5th 31 x 27 (0,870) (shorter than GS?)
Rev 11 x 29 x 36 (3,272)

Final ratio 19 x 78 (4,105:1) (shorter than GS)


I saw this,and i noticed that the 1st and 2nd gears ar the same.
Only the final ratio gives a higher speed,so i wil have more traction in 1st,and the same changes in revs when shifting into 2nd!?
3th should be longer than??,but than i am allready going 110km/u i guess??

Only 3th 4th 5th are different from the GS gearbox.
So,the 3th and 4th gears are longer than the GTi,but 5th is extremely long is see,compared with the 3th and 4th and the longer ratio?
So that wil give a dip,but howmany times wil i drive with that speed!
Only on the freeway,but you only may drive 120km/u here. :(

Can someone give some examples of the speed wich you have in the different gears from a GS tranny? :D
So,for example:
1st:60km/u @ 7000rpm
2nd:120km/u @ 7000rpm
3rd:160km/u @ 7000rpm.andso andso......

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In 5th speed in 3000RPM GTi goes 100km/h and GS with 3000RPM goes 120km/h.


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Didn't all North American GT's get the same gear ratios??
No diff between canada and US???


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With standard 175/60 14 tyres a GTi should be closer to 90 kph @ 3000 rpm


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Standard Gti tyre size is 175/60/14

Gti box(FD = 4.1) in 5th gear (0.87) @3000 rpm = 89.57kph
GS box(FD = 3.5) in 5th gear (0.757)@3000 rpm = 123.18kph

If you change the final drive in the gti box to 4.389 then your speed drops to 83.67 kph @ 3000rpm.


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Do you know how is it going sedan 1,6 DOHC at 3000RPM 2WD and 4WD and 1,3 SOHC 4WD?


P.S.On my 1,3 GS 2WD 13" wheels at 3000RPM goes exactly 117/118km/h.
For GTi I can't say accurate,I only heard.

P.P.S.Gauge cluster manufacturers are complet different for euro market and canadian/USA market.Bouth gauge cluster fets to dash board and looks the same but aren't.So it can be some errors on reading.


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Dattman wrote:
Standard Gti tyre size is 175/60/14

Gti box(FD = 4.1) in 5th gear (0.87) @3000 rpm = 89.57kph
GS box(FD = 3.5) in 5th gear (0.757)@3000 rpm = 123.18kph



1.6 Fwd (FD = 3.7 ) in 5th gear (0.769) @ 3000rpm = 111.7kph
1.3 Cultus AWD(FD = 4.437) in 5th (0.816) @ 3000rpm = 88.36kph
1.3 Sedan AWD(FD = 4.235) in 5th (0.816) @ 3000rpm = 92.58kph


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Hate to bark on about this mate, but go check the sticker on the door frame.
Std GTi tyre (tire) size really is 175/60 - 14


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Didn't all North American GT's get the same gear ratios??
No diff between canada and US???


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i read the post near the top about gearing and speedo teeth, but am a little confused. The project i'm trying to figure out is well, which trans to put in first of all. I have a 91 base 1.0l metro and just put in the xfi cam and want to put in the xfi trans next, but then thought why not put in the 1.3l trans with the even more econo final drive. Either way, my dilemma is how do i keep my speedo reading accurately so i can truly track my mpg? Remember, factory in my car is 145/80r12's i believe. So, if i put in a different trans, what size tires will i have to run and which speedo gear?
Thanks for all the help! I'd love to get this stuff accumulated so i can swap and post my findings in the mpg forum. Just want to do my part and bring something to the table =)


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Read the very first post in this thread, it lists the 3 different speedo drives, just use the one that matches your tyre size, either way it is never going to be 100% accurate, the best thing to do is find a measured distance and check your speedo, not sure about your country/state but on our motorways we occasionally have measured 5km markers for checking your speedo accuracy.


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ok, i read it again. i have the factory 12" wheels, and was going to put in the xfi trans. if i'm right, doesn't the xfi have the same size 12's?
Now the question, that i've been trying to get at is this: if i put the xfi trans in; and i also swap the wheels from the xfi-will, my speedo should be right, correct? But, if i do not match the wheels, the speedo will be off unless i change the speedo gear, right?
i think the variables are just messin with my head! =)


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