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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:58 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:50 pm 
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Pennsoil Synchromesh

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:30 pm 
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Just use Amsoil...already has the syncromesh in it


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:19 pm 
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I have always used Mobil 1 5w/30 in my '87 Turbo MK1 and had no problems.
I have over 500K on the tranny and the case has never been split.
I'm contemplating using synchromesh on the next service to see if it
makes a difference, but with my high mileage, I don't expect any.
My other MK1's have been plagued with problems, usually 1st/2nd gear,
and I believe it to be the synchro's.
I think the important thing is, for longevity, that your service the tranny
frequently. It's easier than an engine oil change. And if the previous owners
of my other problem tranny's had done that, I believe those units would still
be functioning perfectly.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:48 pm 
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I could not find any of the oil mentioned so had to use 75/90 oil which sucks because I get crunch in the gear change and it's difficult to shift. I'm on the hunt for some good oil before I wreck the box.....oh the joys of having a car in Costa Rica

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:05 am 
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I did some reading up.
The factory manual for my MK1 designates 75w or GL5 or 5w/30.
The interesting thing is, it recommends trans. fluid change
every 30k. That equates to every 10 oil changes.
The average consumer for late '80s vehicle, I can guarantee,
had not done that. Maybeeee, once in a 100k.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:52 am 
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I did some auto shop searching last night in CR and found the 75/90 gear oil I have now. A 80W90 GL5 and 80/90 GL4. I'm still looking.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:41 pm 
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If you can't find Syncromesh, go with the GL4 rated fluid.

I used Hi-Trans fluid from Canadian Tire, it's tractor tranny/hydraulic shared system fluid, it was also rated as GL-4. Worked excellently in a '93 Metro with 5spd, and when I drained the fluid from that 5spd, it was silver and left a big wad, I'm talking baseball sized wad of metal shavings behind in the bucket. So that tranny was cruising for a failure. It was made by Shell, so you might be able to find something there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:58 pm 
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Hey thanks. So if I use the 80/90 GL4 it should be ok?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:21 pm 
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good grief! for the love of mike, don't use that tar!

you'd be better off running 10w40 motor oil than 80/90 gear lube.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:56 pm 
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Woodie wrote:
Pennsoil Synchromesh


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:51 am 
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t3 ragtop wrote:
good grief! for the love of mike, don't use that tar!

you'd be better off running 10w40 motor oil than 80/90 gear lube.



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Shamelessly borrowed from BobtheOilGuy...

Eh, more like running 20w50 big block oil in it than a 10w40... Motul 300, Redline MT-90 are 10w40, Redline MTL is 5w30.

GL4 is better than GL5, for the simple fact that GL5 is a lot more slippery(due to the extra anti-scuff additive requirement, etc.) than GL4, this is why most manual gearboxes still call for GL4 type fluids rather than GL5.

If concerned with the viscousness, 1.5litres of gear oil and a litre of a good Synthetic ATF should thin it up to syncromesh viscosity which is more or less a 5w30 without detergents.

So you can also run:

Straight 30 Heavy Duty Detergentless
5w30 Detergentless
ISO100 Synthetic Compressor Oil

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 9:41 am 
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Interesting. For sure I need to swap the oil out on my next visit before I totally wreck all the work I did in the box. Shifting down from 3rd to 2nd gives the biggest crunch. I found a racing shop that has a full Redline worth of products. They the shock proof heavy and light. 75/90 and coming in on Monday 75/140 which the chappie in the store says all the rally guys use? This seems the best place to get the oil so any suggestions on what Redline product to use?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:38 am 
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Heavyweight Shockproof is too slippery and toooo heavy...

Lightweight is around the right area.


From Redlines site:

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Lightweight ShockProof®

Film thickness greater than an SAE 75W140, yet low fluid friction like 80W gear oil or 30W motor oil

-Appropriate coefficient of friction for most manual transmission synchronizers (other's synthetic gear oils are often too slippery for proper synchro engagement)



http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=7

Those are the fluids Redline reccomends for Manual gearboxes. So if you can't get the MTL/MT90, go with the Lightweight Shockproof, it's veeery good oil.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Dropped in the MT90 this mronig and the shifting was much better but there still is a slight crunch got down from 3rd to 2nd at high speed/revs.....it didn't do that before so I hope the oil works it's way in and solves the problem.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:09 am 
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I also purchased the red line MT90, on a couple fellow GTi owners' recommendations (based on what was available locally). I am yet to drive the car so I'll post feedback in due course.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:59 pm 
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case of 6 QT penzoil synchro PEN-3501-C6 $47.94
THE PRICE HAS NOT CHANGED !
you can buy 1, 6 or 12

my SHIP ups 11.28

aprox. 10ea!
less than 1/2 what local bandit GM dealer CHARGES

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http://www.midwayautosupply.com/search. ... rm=SYNCHRO

http://www.midwayautosupply.com/p-14161 ... 01-c6.aspx

BTW i use red line in my $10k racing trans.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:33 am 
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PBC137 wrote:
I also purchased the red line MT90, on a couple fellow GTi owners' recommendations (based on what was available locally). I am yet to drive the car so I'll post feedback in due course.



Okay, feedback time... the RedLine seems thus far, fantastic. I have yet to miss a shift and there is absolutely no grating when shifting (up or down) @ 5500rpm. I have yet to shift higher, but the Gods of engine break-in tell me to drive only at 60% power until break-in is complete.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:50 pm 
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my understandig is north american manuf. cars are sugested to run 75w-90 GL-4...
is there a differance because of extreem temperatures?

if not, what the hell should i be running up hear in canada?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:17 pm 
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Typical Albertan... :lol:

This has been discussed a million times on here... It's been discussed to death in this thread... But to summarize for the ADD/ADHD in the crowd...

Syncromesh > GL4/5 Lube

Syncromesh includes Amsoil MTF and MTL, Redline MTL and MT-90.

Running gear lube leads to syncro failures.

I am running Redline MTL in both of mine, and I have Pennzoil Syncromesh in my mom's '91 Turbo-Fly. I did run the Amsoil MTL 5w30 in my '98 for awhile, and it wasn't bad. So far the Redline MTL seems to be the best.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:38 pm 
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Royal Purple SynchroMax, or Pennzoil Synchromesh ?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:19 pm 
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I had Redline MT90 but had to swap to MTL as they did not have any MT90. MTL seems to work a little better with the shifting. The next rally will tell the difference!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:59 pm 
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Well i got some pennsoil synchromesh, drained the fluid and what not, so instead of using the regular fill hole i removed the clutch bracket bolt and just cut the tip of the bottle let it all pour in, after it was empty i just cut off the bottom of it and used it as a funnel worked like a charm, my car wasnt shifting bad but i still could feel the diffrence with the synchromesh. Oh btw its not royal purple its royal tut, their oil isnt even up to date, has a rating of SL the standerd today is SN so id stick with pennsoil.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 11:07 pm 
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You need to learn what the oil ratings mean.


Personally id rather not run anything newer than an sg oil but that its pretty hard to come by now so I use hdeo designed for heavy diesels.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:36 pm 
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OK first off these r gasoline motors second the closer the second letter is to z the more up to date it is so SN is the most up to date oil their is SL is out of date, N is closer to z then L is.


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