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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:36 pm 
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This list was posted by Gasoline fumes a while back.
If you can think of any more, please post them up.

It's 114.3 mm across the center. Also happens to be 4.5 inches.

Here's a list of possible wheel donors:
(But I can't guarantee that all of these will fit a Swift, it's just a list of 4 x 4.5" wheels I saved)

Acura Legend 86-91, CL, Vigor
Chevy Sprint '85-'87
Datsun/Nissan - most models to '89
Datsun roadster -early
Datsun 240SX 89 - 94, 95-up 4 cyl
Datsun 200SX - early
Dodge Colt, Plymouth Arrow RWD 79 - 92
Dodge/Chrysler/Eagle - most 4 lug 83 - 92
Eagle Summit 86 - 92
Ford Capri 91 - 91
Ford Festiva
Ford Mustang II
Ford Granada all 4-bolt
Geo Metro
Honda Accord 90 up except V6 Accord
Honda Prelude 92-up
Hyundai Accent Base/GL/GS 1995-1999
Hyundai Elantra Sedan/Wagon 1992-up
Hyundai Excel 1986-up
Hyundai Scoupe (all) 1991-up
Hyundai Sonata (all) 1989-up
Hyundai Tiburon Base/FX 1997-up
Infinity G20 91 - 94
Infinity M30 90 - 92
Mazda 323 86 - 89
Mazda 626 88 - 91
Mazda GLC 81 - 85
Mazda RX-7 GSL 84 - 85
Mazda RX-7 SE 86 - 88
MGA, MGB all 4 bolt (14")
Mitsubishi/Eagle
Mitsubishi Gallant 83 - 97
Mitsubishi Mirage 88 - 92
Mitsubishi Precis 87 - 94
Nissan/Datsun - most models to 89
Nissan 200SX 80 - 88*
Nissan Altima, Stanza 93 - 98
Nissan 240Z*, 260Z, 280Z /ZX*, turbo 70 - 85
Nissan 510
Nissan B210
Plymouth - Arrow 79 - 88
Plymouth - Sapporo 79 - 88
Plymouth-Mitsubishi Conquest (15")
SAAB - 900 79 to '87 come in 5.5 x 14, 5.5 x 15, or 6 x 15 *
Suzuki Swift 89 - 98
Toyota - most exc. MR2 and P.U. to 89
Toyota Celica RWD
Toyota Corolla RWD
Toyota Supra 4 lug
Triumph TR 2-6
Volvo P1800 68 - 70

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Remember you need a 60.5mm center bore (diameter of the hole in the middle), and any wheels off rwd cars are most likely going to stick out/rub/hit the fender.

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Hyundai wheels fit too.

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Gasoline Fumes wrote:
Hyundai wheels fit too.


I removed that from the list because not all Hyundais fit. The first 4yrs of Hyundai cars in Canada were 4 X 4.25"

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What about this?
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Hyundai Accent Base/GL/GS 1995-1999 (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)
Hyundai Elantra Sedan/Wagon 1992-up (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)
Hyundai Excel 1986-up (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)
Hyundai Scoupe (all) 1991-up (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)
Hyundai Sonata (all) 1989-up (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)
Hyundai Tiburon Base/FX 1997-up (4x114.3mm / HPO / 12x1.5 Lug-nut / 67.10mm Bore)


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http://www.sromagazine.com/shop/wheelguide.html

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Added, thanks.

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all of these have 114 pcd aswell
i dont know bout the bore size tho


daewoo matiz 98-
" tacuma 00-
" nubira 03-
" lucetti 04-
honda civic 1.8 aerodeck 97-01
hyundai coupe 96-01
" matrix 01-
kia clarus 96-04
" carens 00-
" magentis/optima 01-
" cerato/specrtra 04-
mitsubishi space wagon 90-98
" space star 98-
" evo 1/2/3
" carisma95-99/99-
nissan 200 sx 88-94
" primera 91-01
" almera 00-
proton gen 2 04-
rover 800 86-96
" 600 93-99
volvo s40 v40 96-00/00-04





these are all uk/euro names so you mite not reconize all of um

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Is there a simple way to make the 13" rims from '95+ Metros fit the bolt pattern for the older ('93) 12" Metros? I got a good set of 13s for $10 ea. on the bad advice that they would fit, and didn't check first....D'oh!
Got home and swapped one out; it seems to have plenty of clearance but the lugs are drastically different, and barely hold the wheel on. Can I buy some aftermarket lugnuts with the newer diameter/older thread size?
I'd love to make it work so my '93 Metro handles/rides better.
Otherwise, anyone interested in a set of Metro/Swift stock 13s for $40? :oops:

Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions.


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Is there a simple way to make the 13" rims from '95+ Metros fit the bolt pattern for the older ('93) 12" Metros? I got a good set of 13s for $10 ea. on the bad advice that they would fit, and didn't check first....D'oh!
Got home and swapped one out; it seems to have plenty of clearance but the lugs are drastically different, and barely hold the wheel on. Can I buy some aftermarket lugnuts with the newer diameter/older thread size?
I'd love to make it work so my '93 Metro handles/rides better.
Otherwise, anyone interested in a set of Metro/Swift stock 13s for $40? :oops:

Thanks in advance for any helpful suggestions.


Can't you knock out the metro studs? Drill the hole bigger and get a set of Vert Studs from your local parts store?

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just swap the front hubs with some 95+ or vert hubs and the rear drums with some from a vert.then they will fit and you have bigger slotted brakes too.


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Can I buy some aftermarket lugnuts with the newer diameter/older thread size?

Yes, they are available, or you can also use a 10mm flatwasher with the smaller lugnuts, too.
They will conform as you tighten them up.
Use good ones.

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Thanks to everyone for your replies.
I'm glad to hear I didn't waste my $$.
Going junkyarding today, and can't wait to get back &
try these out.

Thanks again,

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Easy-Out :)
Haven't tried this myself, but my tire guy says Geo Metro Station Wagons have 13" wheels but use the "Tiny Little Lug nuts" on the early Sprints/Swifts/Metros.
I've seen about as many of them in the parts yard as I have Turbo Cars,
namely. ZIPPO! :(

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On my 92 vert I put on some nice used aftermarket 14' mags, lug holes were to big for the stock lug nuts, and I used the lug nuts from an early Geo Tracker and they worked just fine.

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Thanks for the Tip, fabman. I'm trying to keep it as orginal as possible, for future restorations possibilities, but some 13" wheels will make for a lot more tire options, in the mean time.

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fabman_52 wrote:
On my 92 vert I put on some nice used aftermarket 14' mags, lug holes were to big for the stock lug nuts, and I used the lug nuts from an early Geo Tracker and they worked just fine.


92 vs 87 = M12mm vs M10mm. Earliest Tracker: 1989 GEO TRACKER L4 1.6 Liter FI, has M12's

So that won't solve my problem either.

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does anyone know would citroen or peugeot 4 stud fit a swift

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no they are 100 pcd same as ford(uk)


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Ok guys, how about offset? Whats the best offset for size 14 and size 15 without brake upgrades? That can use wider tires but no rubbing agaist fender/suspension?


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As seen elsewhere:

OK! I'm not into Ricing Up a soon to be Collectable, so here's what I've got in the works.
MATCHING Set of 80 something, Toyota Corrolla 4.5 x 13's, steel wheels. Factory silver looks better than anything on my car, so I'm not going to paint them White, just yet. 8)

Don't know about offset, but Stock wheels measure 5.5 from mounting surface to back of rim. The "yota's are 5.0 Inside depth, so the extra tire patch I'll get from the 175x70x13"s will be mounted a little further ( one INCH for the mathematically challegened, among us. ), apart than the 155 R85x12's, I'm currently running. :)

On this car, 1 inch, anywhere, can make a big difference.
Despite the size differnce, between the 165 x 12's this car is supposed to have and the 175 x 13's, there is no more than .75 in difference in any direction of tire specs and I can't find anywhere on my car that there is less then 1/4 inch tire clearance.
Wider Track. Bigger Tire Patch, at all 4 corners. If that don't spell handling improvement, you can take away my torque wrench. :D

I'll send photos when it's done and I can fiqure out how, too.
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I'll send photos when it's done and I can fiqure out how, too.
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Here is a set of mid 80's mazda 323 rims. Size is 13 X 5 with 38mm offset, the center holes needed to be bored larger
to 60.5 mm to fit the suzuki hubs. They even look like the stock wheelcovers. :)

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87Sprint wrote:
I'll send photos when it's done and I can fiqure out how, too.
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Here is a set of mid 80's mazda 323 rims. Size is 13 X 5 with 38mm offset, the center holes needed to be bored larger
to 60.5 mm to fit the suzuki hubs. They even look like the stock wheelcovers. :)

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Nice! Works good with the car. Are those factory decals? If so, one of few I've seen photos of, besides mine.

With some "Special Purchase" lug nuts, the Corrolla wheels are a direct fit.
Center hole is slightly larger so I've got to monitor Lug Nut Torque Specs for awhile.

That moves me from TWO tire options to 11, in only the 175x70 range, with only Price & Performance being the deciding factors, rather than what they've got that will fit.

EDIT: 9/6/07 Finally made the actual Wheel & Tire swap today.
Went from
155xR85x12 - 21.9 OD x 4.4 Tread width x 6.1 Section Width, to
175xR70x13 - 22.7 OD x 5.2 Tread Width x 6.9 Section Width
----------+1.0x +.8 x ----+.8----------------- +.8
Hercules Ultra Plus IV Touring.
The Toyota wheels moved the tire centerline Outboard .5 inch from the Stock Wheels so that translates to -.1 in. Inboard, clearences, +.9 in. Oboard, (or 1.0 in. Wider Trac) and +.4 in. from Axle centerline. (Going from 85 to 70 Aspect Ratio, takes -1.2 from Wheel dia increase with the "Low profile" tire, so the net Dia gain is +.8/2 = .4 in.)

Try keeping all that straight, after inhaling a can of Truck bed liner and Grey Primer fumes, while you repaint the Trunk interior after finding out a Qt of Trans grease leaked into the Spare tire well. :shock:

Everything fit great, EXCEPT!!! I had to take the Turbo Ground Effects off the rear bumper because the tires, barely rub the built-in "Mud Flaps".
What really sounded strange, was all the little extrusion "Porcupine quills" sticking out all over the new tire, about .5 in. Sounded like a honet's nest chasing me all the way home. :lol:

Upon closer inspection, although the bumper looks properly aligned, it appears it may have been "bumped" in the rear at some point. Anybody got one they know hasn't been hit, that they can measure the Bumper shock mounts for me?

NOTE: After seeing how "flimsy" these cars are constructed, I allow rear seat passengers, only in an emergency and refuse to put one of my own or anyone elses kids, back there.
So if you carry passengers or very much cargo, this swap isn't for you.

So far, I've only driven it about 50 miles, around town and it feels much better than the 12" "trailer" tires it had on it. :D

It's suppose to rain most of this weekend, so I'll soon find out if I really solved the "skitterish, Coachroach in a Meth Lab" wet road handling and "Don't even think about a panic stop, in the rain", problems I set out to "fix".

Later on, if I can find another transmission, for back-up, I can put racing tires on the 12's and go AutoCrossing in the Showroom Stock Class. 8)

For the "purist" among us, when the time comes, I can put it all back to Showroon Stock, if I should ever decide to sell it. :)

Until then, I've got a couple of Transmission Ideas, but we'll talk about those in the appropriate thread. :roll:

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BUMP!

Just realized nobdy would get an Update notice on this, because I'm taliking to Micelf. :roll: :oops:

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So looking for a 4x114.3 x 38mm offset? For some reason I'm coming up dry on these... most all rims in 4x114 are RWD!

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