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Have you fallen for a fuel economy gimmic?
Yes 11%  11%  [ 19 ]
No 71%  71%  [ 125 ]
I ask the forum before I spend ANY money 6%  6%  [ 10 ]
I search the net to make sure it really is too good to be true. 12%  12%  [ 21 ]
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:26 pm 
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SO what is the consensus on replacing the stock air filter with a K&N. Or is it just better to replace the stock filter more frequently or blow it out and replace?

Stock filter approx $12 Last about 30K
K&N filter Charger $48 Last Over 100K+


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:25 am 
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K&N costs more, lasts forever, flows better, sounds better, doesn't filter as well. Tough decision as the long engine life you need to make your filter investment pay off, may be compromised by the added dirt going in. Personally, I don't think dirt going in the intake is going to have much effect, but that's just my gut feeling, based upon nothing. Then again, the exact same intake and filter feed the four cylinder version of the G engine just fine, I would think they're more than adequate for the G10, so the better flow is going to be less evident.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 5:59 am 
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I have tried many things to improve MPG but none worked better than the following in that order :

1. Light foot on the pedal, try to drive in higher gears.
2. Correct tire pressure
3. Clean spark plugs
4. Right engine and tranny oil change intervals depending on type of usage
5. Clean contacts of all ignition related components - cables, distributor, rotor etc etc
6. No excess baggage
7. Water injection in IM to clean the carbon
8. Adding 10 ml motorcycle 2T oil in 40 litres of Petrol (Does wonders to smoothness with zero side effects)
9. Finely powdered graphite (ordinary pencil lead) mixed with grease - applied to all ends of ingition cables before fixing.

Other things that aided me in achieving optimum fuel economy are :
1. Using an air filter with a larger surface area >>> less restriction
2. Blow cleaning filter every 2/3 weeks
3. Larger (dia & length) intake tube and ported and polished throttle body
4. Removed CAT
5. Replacing stock silencer with a less restriction type from an Opal 1.6 L

RESULTS :

I was getting 10 kilometers to a litre of petrol earlier but now I am getting 14 (40% improvement) in city driving conditions and 23-24 kilometer to a litre on a highway.

The things that I tried and havent helped much in the long run are - side gapped plugs, IAT sensor mod, acetone in fuel, boric acid in engine oil, injector cleaner (they screw my spark plugs), tornado in intake tube, magnets etc.

Havent tried fuel cells, octane boosters and do not intend to.

That translates in MPG City 24 MPG to 33 MPG
and 56 MPG on highway.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:46 pm 
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i use injector cleaner on occasion,dont think it really works,just makes you feel better...???my wife was up late one night watching tv,saw a infomercial on that product called "Z-MAXX",told me it was awesome,i dont believe the hype,bought it after many weeks of her nagging,used the product as outlined,saw no change in performance,gas mileage or engine wear....."soaks into metal" more like "soaks money from wallet" LOL!! but i guess if CAROL SHELBY endorses it,it must be good,right guys? yeah,right!regular maintenance works for me!!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:18 am 
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i was always wondering about the zmax.
my brother got me a can of some stuff, i can't remember what its was called
looks like a pop can, you pour it in your 710 cap, and the engine idles and revs a lot smoother, its really thick, i think that the key ingredient

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:45 am 
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I read a few lines and quickly scanned down to reply...you are quite gullible and no one should pay any attention to your advice.

Sam Dabbs wrote:
Nowhere wrote:
Never buy the following, they are ALL SCAMS!!!!

Electric turbo/superchargers

Fuel Magnets

"hydrogen generators" The e-bay units. I can't believe people buy these things, they are paying over 100 dollars!!!

Tornado/spiralmax
The things that go in the intake tube to "spiral/tornado" the air...


Dude you are so right about the Electric turbo/superchargers.
Unless you are talking about an e-Ram. That's 1000 CFM's pushing down those tubes. Do you know what 1000 CFM will do for your lill engine?

Dude, you are so wrong about the fuel line magnets. This has been tested on a stationary generator with a fixed load and before/after results obtained. This is science. This is research.
This is how its done in the real world.
See the results below. They speak for themselves.

Good question, John. My Allan 5 gas analyzer gives me the AFR reading.

--- In supercarbs@y..., ibeme@m... wrote:
Uli,

This is a great post - a good objective repeatable test.
Guess that seals it for me - I've been toying with the idea
of getting a generator to play with, and just had not done
it.

Thanks for the well thought out experiment and good post.

One question however - what are you using to measure air-
fuel ratios into the 21/1 range? Most O2 sensors are not
good outside a narrow band around 14.7/1.

John

--- In supercarbs@y..., uli.xxxxxx@u... wrote:
Since I already have an engine setup for testing, I decided to
give the fuel magnet a go. Here are the results:

Test engine: Yamaha 173cc OHV four stroke engine with 2.4kw Alternator
Fuel delivery system: Vortex 618 vaporizer
Fuel: Unleaded petrol
ambient temp: 19.5 deg C
Rel. humidity: 80%
Test procedure: For each test, the engine was run with an
identical load and an identical amount of fuel. The first two runs were
done without magnets. Each run was than timed until the engine stopped
on its own. After that, 2off 70x50x25mm ferrite magnets where
strapped to either side of the rubber fuel line, with opposing poles
towards each other, about 250mm away from the float chamber of the fuel processor. Another two runs where timed under those conditions also.
For the first two runs, the time was 23 min 30sec each. The first run
with magnets was 28 min 30sec and the second one just over 27 min.
After that another run was done for verification, on which the engine
showed signs of running rich. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was measured as being 21.5/1.
When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC
reading went up immediately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on there for sure.
I will have to further reconfirm those results, but it appears that
the magnets change the burn characteristic of the fuel to such an extent that a leaner mixture setting becomes necessary in order to
gain maximum benefits from them. The last run represents an improvement of over 50% over the first one without magnets. This is substantial. If you have fuel injection, you might want to run an EFIE together with the magnets or for a carby, maybe try smaller jets.

Uli Xxxxxx


Dude, yes and no on the hydroxiginators. Yes, in that there are plenty of scammers out there in this energy cult marketplace. No, in that not all electrolysers themselves are a scam or the results thereof. The tech on them is advancing everyday. People are learning to make them more and more efficient every day.

Dude, you are so right about the Tornado/spiralmax air restrictors.
Right ON dude!!

Sam


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:47 am 
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owlafaye wrote:
I read a few lines and quickly scanned down to reply...you are quite gullible and no one should pay any attention to your advice. This is a reply to NoWhere...who is certainly nowhere

Sam Dabbs wrote:
Nowhere wrote:
Never buy the following, they are ALL SCAMS!!!!

Electric turbo/superchargers

Fuel Magnets

"hydrogen generators" The e-bay units. I can't believe people buy these things, they are paying over 100 dollars!!!

Tornado/spiralmax
The things that go in the intake tube to "spiral/tornado" the air...


Dude you are so right about the Electric turbo/superchargers.
Unless you are talking about an e-Ram. That's 1000 CFM's pushing down those tubes. Do you know what 1000 CFM will do for your lill engine?

Dude, you are so wrong about the fuel line magnets. This has been tested on a stationary generator with a fixed load and before/after results obtained. This is science. This is research.
This is how its done in the real world.
See the results below. They speak for themselves.

Good question, John. My Allan 5 gas analyzer gives me the AFR reading.

--- In supercarbs@y..., ibeme@m... wrote:
Uli,

This is a great post - a good objective repeatable test.
Guess that seals it for me - I've been toying with the idea
of getting a generator to play with, and just had not done
it.

Thanks for the well thought out experiment and good post.

One question however - what are you using to measure air-
fuel ratios into the 21/1 range? Most O2 sensors are not
good outside a narrow band around 14.7/1.

John

--- In supercarbs@y..., uli.xxxxxx@u... wrote:
Since I already have an engine setup for testing, I decided to
give the fuel magnet a go. Here are the results:

Test engine: Yamaha 173cc OHV four stroke engine with 2.4kw Alternator
Fuel delivery system: Vortex 618 vaporizer
Fuel: Unleaded petrol
ambient temp: 19.5 deg C
Rel. humidity: 80%
Test procedure: For each test, the engine was run with an
identical load and an identical amount of fuel. The first two runs were
done without magnets. Each run was than timed until the engine stopped
on its own. After that, 2off 70x50x25mm ferrite magnets where
strapped to either side of the rubber fuel line, with opposing poles
towards each other, about 250mm away from the float chamber of the fuel processor. Another two runs where timed under those conditions also.
For the first two runs, the time was 23 min 30sec each. The first run
with magnets was 28 min 30sec and the second one just over 27 min.
After that another run was done for verification, on which the engine
showed signs of running rich. The AFR was adjusted and a further test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR was measured as being 21.5/1.
When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the HC
reading went up immediately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is going on there for sure.
I will have to further reconfirm those results, but it appears that
the magnets change the burn characteristic of the fuel to such an extent that a leaner mixture setting becomes necessary in order to
gain maximum benefits from them. The last run represents an improvement of over 50% over the first one without magnets. This is substantial. If you have fuel injection, you might want to run an EFIE together with the magnets or for a carby, maybe try smaller jets.

Uli Xxxxxx


Dude, yes and no on the hydroxiginators. Yes, in that there are plenty of scammers out there in this energy cult marketplace. No, in that not all electrolysers themselves are a scam or the results thereof. The tech on them is advancing everyday. People are learning to make them more and more efficient every day.

Dude, you are so right about the Tornado/spiralmax air restrictors.
Right ON dude!!

Sam


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:37 am 
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blueturbofly wrote:
i guess if CAROL SHELBY endorses it,it must be good,right guys? yeah,right!regular maintenance works for me!!



Well it works for his pocket book, Gotta have that retirement income.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:29 am 
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:twisted: @ Ralph, scammers will get richer as they are smarter and know that there are enough fools out there to buy and try their snake oils.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 am 
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fitsandy wrote:
:twisted: @ Ralph, scammers will get richer as they are smarter and know that there are enough fools out there to buy and try their snake oils.



Yep, it pisses me of daily. Oh well, I'm not contributing to their funds, Good enough for me.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:08 pm 
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Have used xylene and tolulene to boost 92 octane to 107. Ran advance from max 25 BTDC to 41. More power, same fuel economy. In 55 gal barrels price was about $.50 per gallon higher than pump gas. Can't remember the mix ratio.


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the advice he gives fitsandy knew several of them are good some not, should be tried and try to save more gas

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Kento87 wrote:
V8's
I don't care what people say, they SUCK at Gas Mileage!!!!!! =)

i actually got really good gas mileage in my 1986 firebird. 305 5 speed. 270k kms. 400k to a tank on the highway with the t tops off. woukd have gottn better if the engine was rebuilt and the tranny actually had a mount lol


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95pontiacfirefly wrote:
Kento87 wrote:
V8's
I don't care what people say, they SUCK at Gas Mileage!!!!!! =)

i actually got really good gas mileage in my 1986 firebird. 305 5 speed. 270k kms. 400k to a tank on the highway with the t tops off. woukd have gottn better if the engine was rebuilt and the tranny actually had a mount lol


and I got 700k in my Suburban but it cost $180 to fill it :roll: .


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