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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:25 pm 
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I'm shopping around for a wideband o2 sensor for one of Jess's turbo setups :D I wanna get the car running soon, so I'm getting down and dirty, and getting on this project! I'm running a Megasquirt v3, so is there any need for getting a wideband o2 with a controller?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:14 am 
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innovate lc-1, it's on the megasquirt recommended list. gauge is optional.

the controller has 2 outputs, one for the gauge, one for the stand alone's 0-5vdc input. the controller translates the signal from the sensor to an analog 0 to 5 volt linear output.

you can find them on ebay at $199 for the controller alone, $209 for the controller and red or blue digital gauge.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:58 pm 
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t3 ragtop wrote:
innovate lc-1, it's on the megasquirt recommended list. gauge is optional.

the controller has 2 outputs, one for the gauge, one for the stand alone's 0-5vdc input. the controller translates the signal from the sensor to an analog 0 to 5 volt linear output.

you can find them on ebay at $199 for the controller alone, $209 for the controller and red or blue digital gauge.



God please dont buy an LC-1. I have used them multiple times and had them fail. They warrantied a few for me but I finally gave up and went with a techedge. Here in the shop its all we use. They are based out of Australia. Other units we have had decent success with are 14point7.com or the AEM widebands.

And yes, you will need one 100%

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:57 pm 
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Innovate or aem. Have had good results from both

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:32 am 
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AEM Uego Analog should have everything you need.
Also has output for logging and engine management.
The needle sweep is nice and easy to read, fast acting.
Choice of white or black face in the box, black or
silver bezel, 7 different backlit colors with a turn of
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:19 pm 
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God please dont buy an LC-1. I have used them multiple times and had them fail.



Not the first time I've heard that about the Innovate.

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God please dont buy an LC-1. I have used them multiple times and had them fail.



Not the first time I've heard that about the Innovate.



I think ive gone through about 5 of them. Wouldnt touch em with a 10 foot pole anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:34 pm 
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Innovate make very good widebands. Their stupid legoland connectors suck big time though. They should use military-grade stuff. It's a necessity when you're in/out the cars like we do. If you install it permanently and never thouch it you'll be fine.

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Innovate make very good widebands. Their stupid legoland connectors suck big time though. They should use military-grade stuff. It's a necessity when you're in/out the cars like we do. If you install it permanently and never thouch it you'll be fine.



ill allow you to continue to use them. =)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:08 pm 
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I never heard anyone complain about the lm1 or lm2, but I've seen the horror stories about the LC-1. I'm lucky with my LC-1 it works fine (when I keep it away from EMF :lol:) , but it refuses to work with the supplied LED and switch for fast calibration. it keeps calibrating while driving, which is bad. I just removed the black calibration wire and now it's fine. I wouldn't buy another one tho. I would prefer having the controller inside the car instead of in the engine bay.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:30 pm 
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i see that innovate has a fairly inexpensive new model which has the electronics built into it's gauge package to simplify wiring. it still uses the dimestore plastic connectors, though.

you guys got me fired up to the point that i got my innovate lc1/ db gauge kit out to read the paperwork and i found out that while i ordered a red set, the retailer sent an ice blue set. i listed it in my sale thread - my bad eyes can't do blue at night. 8)

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I use the same Innovate LC-1 ever since I've started fiddling with MS (5+ years), went through 1 sensor. Got it just because it was the cheapest solution at that time. Never used anything else.

I think most of the problems people are having are due to ground loops/improper wiring or old/deprecated firmware. The only hurdle I've had was when trying to flash the new firmware in - the unit requires a serial port with true +12/-12V voltage levels, while common lappies and USB to serial adapters do +8/-8V at best. Connect it to a proper serial port, and everything is dandy.

If I had to buy a wideband controller today, I would probably go with a Techedge unit, an OEM or a DIY model, just because of the flexibility it offers (I could stick the WB controller in the MS case and include the sensor wires in the engine harness - that would make a prettier harness without a LC-1 hump in it). But that's just nit-picky me and that would probably turn out more expensive than just getting a LC-1.

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I bought a JAW (now called SLC DIY: http://14point7.com/Products.php ), and also a Techedge unit a couple years ago. Both still work just fine, and are cheaper than anything else out there.

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AEM is the best bang for your buck. I've worked with many brands and I prefer the AEM.


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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:02 pm 
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Innovate MTX.
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the controller is built into the gauge and it has an 8 foot cable that runs to the bosch 6 wire o2 sensor. selve testing diagnostics and automated calibration. auto dimming.

adjustable for afr or lamda, kph, bar, or psi. the center display is digital leds and there is a single segment array of red, yellow, and green leds around the face that emulates an analog gauge.

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