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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:09 pm 
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I have not installed the injectors yet ,,, I convinced myself my issue was head related. The popping or blurb I was getting out the exhaust reminded me of when I had a bad valve.
So I started pulling spark plug wires.
When I pulled cyl 3 wire it ran
When I pulled wire 2 it continued to run
When I pulled wire 1 it died telling me cyl 1 was carrying the others.

So I pulled my new plugs that have only been run on the trailer.

Plug 1 was black and was a shinny black like wet but not oil fouled.
Plug 2 was exactly the same as plug 1
Plug 3 was a dry black almost a fluffy snow looking with a few white spots showing through.

So now I've convinced myself my issue is cylinder 3 and possibly 2 also.

Time for compression test. Compression on cylinder 1 was 125 warm not hot. Of course my compression tester failed to hold the pressure after testing cylinder 1.

Not one to let proper procedure stop me I yanked off the head.

All valves were black except the number 1 cylinder exhaust which was tan/brown.
I flipped the head and they all held gas ( update,,,, the number one exhaust valve ended up leaking. It's the brown / tan one in the pic ) but once I added gas I could see sparkles mixed in with the carbon soot. I found this in all three combustion chambers. They were not attracted to a strong magnet.
I'll disassemble the head tomorrow and inspect the valves and seats but so far they look good.

Pistons have no pre ignitin damage and cylinder walls look good,you can still see my hone marks but the sparkles are coming from somewhere. Bearings possibly so at this point I'm so far in I might as well pull the block.

I did notice when looking at my block on the intake side there are two large water passages by the corners. The passage located on the front of the engine near the water pump is mostly blocked by my head gasket with just a sliver open.

I've tried to load up some pics but for what ever reason my new phone won't load them up to my photo bucket account.

I've been down this road before so I should be good but I welcome any comments or input.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:16 pm 
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The brown valve eventually failed the gas test for leaking.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:17 pm 
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The wet look is from the gas I used to check for leaking valves.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:21 pm 
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The blocked water passage is in the upper right corner.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:23 pm 
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Now that I got my photos working just let me know if I should add photos of anything else.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:41 pm 
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Ok. I can feel some scratching in cylinder 2 and 3. I haven't inspected closely but don't need to.It's not piston scuffing.
I've been reading up on replacement Pistons here and see Vitara are the Pistons of choice. Am I correct the ones I want are 1.6 8v Pistons? And just get them however much over the cylinders have to be bored?
Stupid question I know but how about replacement rods? I know , I know stupid question.
Thanks for hanging in there with me.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:46 pm 
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FloridaEdd wrote:
The blocked water passage is in the upper right corner.

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No not water passage.!
that a hole stick a screw driver in it you'll see it outside it's a casting hole
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the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
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I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:58 pm 
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Ok. That makes sense. Guess u were right that I may beat it too hard to long. That explained these damn blisters.
Guess I now know how not to drive it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:04 pm 
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I would ReRing (Cleaning the ring Glands) and hone the cylinders.
Those pistons look good
Inspect your head Bolt really close for strech marks any marginal bolts don't reuse PITCH
get a good headgasket
I use the Graphite...
but not really putting much demands on my rig's
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Get a Vinton about $40
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why not a Mike Cove (3tech) head package with the porting and three way valve grind Stainlees valves Brass incerts.?
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t3 ragtop wrote:
the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
suprf1y wrote:
I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
jrjd wrote:
"Driving a Swift GTi is like driving a bike in your house".


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:26 pm 
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I ported and polished it myself and had the head rebuilt locally with stainless valves. I didn't have the guides replaced though.
I could just re ring it but will have a machine shop do the hone this time. I did it myself last time.
When all is said and done I'm still gonna have to deal with my original rich condition. Seems the leaking valve off set my richness enough in one cylinder to keep the others going. Just my new hypothesis.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:28 pm 
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I used all new fel pro bolts and will get all new this time also.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:10 am 
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I'm still here and just wanted to post an update.
I have all the parts to rebuild it but waiting to get up some $$for machine shop work.
Two things I discovered that we're not correct.
Valve guides were really worn so I got new valves and bronze valve guides from 3Tech. I'm going to mount my turbo using vee band clamps this time as my turbo kept loosening up on me. Long story short at one point I had a steel turbo gasket fail and when I replaced it I noticed a section of the gasket was missing. Turns out it went into my turbo and ate the fins off of the hot,drive side of my turbo shaft. I'm having an issue trying to post a pic of it but it's really eaten up.
I'm thinking this May have contributed to the feeling of running rich since the engine thinks it was getting boost and fueling it accordingly. I still was getting boost but not like it should of. I couldn't tell I had a boost issue. Now put that with my badly worn valve guides and I'm pretty sure I've found my issues.
I may be down but I'm not out.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:45 am 
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I'm still here as well and read this update
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Having a hard time starting the chainsaw
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Wondering how I'm going to tell my girlfriend she's a little smelly
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........and my dog is not pleased
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t3 ragtop wrote:
the 3 banger isn't at all a "grenade." it's a tough little son of a bitch doing a big job. respect it.
suprf1y wrote:
I didn't save anything.Vehicles are to me, like little boys are to Tommy.Toys to be abused for my own personal pleasure.
jrjd wrote:
"Driving a Swift GTi is like driving a bike in your house".


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:49 am 
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.......and still driving wrenching on Suzuki's
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Which bytwy are awesome in the snow
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:02 am 
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So the pic of the guy with the chain saw pulled up first and took a minute for the rest to load. Was really funny when you put the first and second pictures captions with the first picture.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:43 pm 
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Chugging along. Just got my head back,new bronze valve guides and a set of 3 tech oversize valves cut in. I'm gonna bolt the head up and check my compression. The shop thinks the badly worn valve guides were my issue but I'm still gonna check the compression. I've gathered up just about everything I need,gasket set,head bolts,new injectors,new Ko3 turbo which I'm going to mount using v band clamps to elminate it losing up. That was an issue for me no matter how much I braced it it wiggled loose.
Also bought a brand new drive clutch and just installed a brand new driven clutch. Money had been tight so I've been buying what I can when I can. Only thing left is a new battery and I think I'm gonna go with a Lipo battery. That's about it for me. Once I'm back in it I'll be sure to update.
Hope you guys are well

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:07 pm 
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So I have been working on reassembly and it's going good. As some of you may recall after my last rebuild my vacuum was 15lbs and I was thinking that was a,little low and attributed it to my cam.
I just found some pinholes in my turbo oil drain. Put a slight lean condition with my worn valve guides and I think I figured it all out.
Figure I will have the buggy going next week or so I'm waiting on my turbo hot side to have the v band clamps welded on then I can start assembling the exhaust side of my engine.
Setting up my valves I referenced one of my old posts and just wanted to thank you guys.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:43 pm 
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So I have everything installed except for the exhaust manifold/ turbo.
I had,to get this far to do a compression test and the results are as follows
Cly 1/150
Cly 2/145
Cly3/145

These seem good to me. At least not low enough to pull the block at thus time.
I had v band clamp flanges welded on my turbo and exhaust manifold as well as one for the exhaust pipe.
Now the turbo position will be different so I will need to make a new support bracket for it and modify my exhaust pipe.
I can't get pics to load on my photo bucket account but will keep trying.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:21 pm 
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So it's been a slow journey but I'm almost there.
Reassembled everything the last couple of weeks and fired it off today. Well I tried to. It wouldn't even try to fire off. Dejavu,,,some of you may recall I had a heck of a time after my last rebuild getting it to run. I checked timing,valve timing,timing belt,firing order etc. well same thing this time. I pulled and checked everything except my valves. Figure I'll do that tomorrow since I have to pull the radiator etc to get my valve cover off. On a whim I pulled my plug wires off of the cap and moved them around the cap while trying to start it. Cylinder three fired off then I tried cylinder two and it inferred off. Cylinder one the same thing. I put all the wires back in the position I started at and it started right up.
Why ask why.
I've learned that much at least.
So I have to reinstall my timing cover and v belt before I can run it more then a few seconds , that will be tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:18 am 
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Have to work to get it started and just not running correct.
I'm guessing my timing belt is off one tooth so that's where I'm starting my diagnostics.
Feeling betup but not defeated. I've been down this road so I know it will all work out I just don't know how much $$ or time it will take me to get there but I'm chugging along.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:39 am 
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Crank keyway. After removing my crank bolt the pulley moves independently of it crank. Bout to get in there and see how bad it is.

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