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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:02 am 
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8) New at this ... Don't laugh ...

My '99 Esteem Wagon is pretty quick with stock 1.6L SOHC but it could use a bit o'help with power curve. I hear the Swift GTi 1.3L 24-V DOHC head will swap onto a '99 1.6L SOHC motor (Esteem has 95 hp) but I have no mod details ... what rough spots to look out for; like ignition changes, piston to valve clearance etc. Will stock exhaust manifold from a GTi fit the new combo?

Are ECU mods needed? Will a 1.3L DOHC head outflow a 1.6L stock head with the larger block's bore? Will the 1.6L cast crank hold up to the increased power e.g. +25 hp (@ 6,500+ rpm) without grenading? Can 87 octane fuel be used with this head swap? Does a stock wagon auto tranny need help to survive this swap?

Looking for fairly mild hp gain over stock without using a turbo or having to swap in a complete 1.8L DOHC engine (maybe a tad expensive?). Any ideas, Esteem swap experience welcome. Thanks, Rob


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:56 pm 
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RazRob wrote:
I hear the Swift GTi 1.3L 24-V DOHC head will swap onto a '99 1.6L SOHC motor (Esteem has 95 hp) but I have no mod details


Wow, where can you source a 24v head?? :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:37 pm 
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Check details at: http://www.xfaktor.net/ click projects.

According to Suzuki USA the 1.8L DOHC 24-V is a high flow design comparable in horsepower production to the G13B's flow characteristics.
This means in bhp produced per litre.
Example: the 1.8L DOHC 125 hp engine produces 28% more BHP than its 1.6L SOHC cousin rated 95 hp @ 6,500 rpm.

They advise against using a stock G16A 1.6L block and cast crank as unsuitable for extended high rpm. Their recommendation is to swap a complete 1.8L DOHC 24-V into the Esteem due to better compatibility, it's distributorless ignition, forged crank etc. The ECU will have to be reprogrammed to deal with the higher air & fuel flow.

I also checked with 2 used engine vendors in the US.
They quoted me $800 for a 40,000 mile 1.8L DOHC motor.
Vendor #2 quoted $1,000 for a 1.8L DOHC with 20,000 miles.
Both motors' freight charges are included.

Used GTi G13 heads can be located/sourced but they go for primo prices.
Check out > http://www.powerpro2000.com/cylinder_heads.htm

Seems like a low mileage 1.8L DOHC [VIN code 4] engine swap is the better choice for for my Esteem sleeper e.g. less down time, lower true cost.


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Interesting..

I never disasemble or measured a 1.8l. How doest it fit to the 1.6 tranny? Is the bell housing the same?

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If I'm right, the 1.8cc engines is not G18, is a J18 wich is diferent from the G series engine. Also this engine is 16 valve and not 24 valve. HP is around 135.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:44 am 
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You're correct; there is no 24-V head for the G13 / G16 series engines (wishful thinking).

A tuner at http://www.ssgti.net/main.htm [click tuning] has specific details on swapping a "GTi G13B DOHC head onto a G16A block from the Swift Sedan/sidekick/vitara"

I don't know if the Esteem 1.6L and 1.8L share the same block as the Vitara/Sidekick G16A engine.

His SSGTi project photos show a "TWIN CAM 16" DOHC stamped valve cover. Apparently there's a need to change (weld) the G16A block's bellhousing mount holes.

Next trip is to Suzuki Dealer for a 1999- 2000 Esteem tech manual.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:18 pm 
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This is interesting...

http://remanufactured.com/Suzuki_Engines.htm

It shows a list of G-series engines, though not specifically mentioning bell-housing configurations or compatibility of parts.

I can tell you all sorts of things about Mopar interchangeability, but feel like a moron when I start looking at Suzuki stuff.

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i know the 1.6 tranny is cable and the 1.8 is hydraulic


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