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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:34 am 
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I've hinted at this location in prior posts, now here's the big picturized how-to:

When I was taking apart my dead transmission, being the curious person I am, I examined all the little pieces that bolted together. I noticed that one of the clutch cable bracket bolts was threaded through a hole that goes straight through the gear case. Hmmm, an easier way to fill the transmission than using the speedo cable port. Simply take off the left bolt, stuff the gear oil bottle into the hole, and squeeze.

Be sure the stock "filler" bolt is off so you don't overfill.

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Lihtan wrote:
I noticed that one of the clutch cable bracket bolts was threaded through a hole that goes straight through the gear case.


Wow, this is one of the most helpful hints I've run across in a while. This saved me loads of grief (and expensive Redline) last weekend when I was topping off my Suzi. Last time I filled a tranny was on my SR20, and I had to run about a meter of plastic tubing down to the fill spot. All that viscous Redline flowing through a tiny tube gave me a flow rate of about 4 liters / hour. Verrry slow.

Thanks again Lihtan, that hole worked a treat. Karma for you.

Mods, this should be a sticky I think. There was another more recent thread and this wasn't mentioned there.

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can also remove speedo cable gear with 1 bolt and fill through there, straight down and fairly large hole for long funnel


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Youstillneed to remove the original fillhole to measure that you are not over filling.

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Mr Evolution wrote:
Youstillneed to remove the original fillhole to measure that you are not over filling.


good job mr evo. :roll:

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Mr Evolution wrote:
Youstillneed to remove the original fillhole to measure that you are not over filling.


yeah, thats why it says that in the original post, in bold letters :wink:

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Sorry to be stupid, but where is the original filling location :oops:
Picture anyone or something?

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Sorry to be stupid, but where is the original filling location :oops:
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its under the car on the trans near the axle shaft. :)

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Sorry to be stupid, but where is the original filling location Embarassed
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Roy Dean's post would help you alot. Scroll down to the middle of the page for the picture:

http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?t=6463


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can also remove speedo cable gear with 1 bolt and fill through there, straight down and fairly large hole for long funnel

your so wrong bro. the hole will fit my funnel. no fluid will go down into the trans man. i shall make you lick the tar like gear oil off my garage floor.
unless your trans is different from my trans in my geo.


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are you sure you removed the hole gear assembly and not just the cable itself


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100percent positive. i have no problem using the bolt for the clutch cable bracket like shown in the picture above.its slow but it works for me


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I just changed the gear oil in 96 3 cylinder 5 speed using Crvett69's suggestion. I used the speedometer cable gear hole. Here is what I did:

1. Located the speedo gear. Go to the brake fluid reservoir and look straight down. It looks like this::

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I undid the wire holding the cable with the green connector to make it easier to access the 10 mm bolt.

2. Slide the black cover up the speedo cable and this is what the assembly looks like:

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The black puddle to the right is where I missed the funnel LOL I would probably use a longer one next time so I don't have to maneuver the bottle through the hoses/wires to get to the funnel. I used a 12 inch funnel so maybe a 16 inch one would be better. The arrows are pointing to a clip but you can probably leave it in since the whole assembly will slide out. You might have to wiggle the assembly while pulling on it, but it does come out by hand:

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I apologize for the blurriness but the box shows the whole assembly. The gear is that little blurry thing at the left-center of the box. LOL That yellow thing to the left of the box is the funnel.

Removing the speedo gear assembly leaves about a nice big, 1 inch filler hole, just to the left of the center of the photo, by the orange glow of the flashlight :

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Here's another shot looking straight down. The brake fluid reservoir is in the lower right of the picture:

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The funnel I used is about 12 inches long and it worked ok although I would recommend using a little longer funnel, maybe 16 inches or so.

The nice thing about using this method is that you can just unscrew the cap on the gear oil container and just pour it in without having to squeeze the oil through that ridiculously small nipple. The oil comes out nice and quick this way:

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Once I got the speedo gear assembly removed, I drained the trans. My trans has a bad synchro and hopefully I can milk it for another month or so. Then it will be warm enough to crawl around under the car to replace the trans.

This is what the drain plug looked like:

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I hope no one else's looks like this. I forgot to take a picture of the cleaned off plug. It had about 1/8 inch or 3 mm of crud on it.

I used some cheapo Advance Auto parts Accel 75-90 gear oil and it only took maybe 5 minutes fill it. Cost about $4.78 a quart.

Hope this helps someone. I'm not sure why PRO50 had the problem he did but I do know it worked for my 96. The picture of the hole was taken after I filled the trans. The oil went into the trans as you can tell by how clean it is around the filler hole. That shiny dot in the middle of the hole is the flash reflecting off the fluid in the trans.

Thank you Crvett69. This makes changing the trans fluid almost as easy as changing the oil.


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Here's some pics that better illustrate the alternate gear oil procedure a little better:

Step 1:
Begin by draining your gear oil as normal, and sealing the drain plug.

Step 2:
Remove the factory filler bolt. We need this off so we can tell when the tranny is full:
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Step 3:
Clean around the bolts on the clutch cable bracket, we don't want dirt getting inside the transmission.

Step 4:
Remove left clutch cable bracket bolt.

Step 5:
Snip the tip off the gear oil bottle, plug it with your finger, manoeuvre it over the bolt hole, and shove the bottle down:
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Close up:
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Step 6:
Squeeze the bottle until it's empty, repeat with a second bottle. The transmission has a capacity for 2.4 liters, so you'll have to watch how much of the third bottle you put in.

Step 7:
As you top off the tranny keep and eye on fluid dripping from the fill bolt:
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Step 8:
Quickly thread the stock filler bolt back on to limit how much drips out.

Step 9:
Remove the gear oil bottle, being careful not to lose any remaining oil, then replace the clutch cable bracket bolt.

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Actually I'd make step #1 removing the fill plug - two reasons - it let's air in so that the draining goes easier, and it would really suck to find out that I couldn't refill the tranny after I drained it.


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Way wrote:
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I hope no one else's looks like this. I forgot to take a picture of the cleaned off plug. It had about 1/8 inch or 3 mm of crud on it.


That's not so bad - when you see needle rollers or gear teeth - that's time to worry.


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Way wrote:
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I hope no one else's looks like this. I forgot to take a picture of the cleaned off plug. It had about 1/8 inch or 3 mm of crud on it.


That's not so bad - when you see needle rollers or gear teeth - that's time to worry.


Bet mine looks worse......grinds every gear.

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Ha ha ha

Well hopefully with all the pics the procedure is now crystal clear. Very good point about removing the fill plug first.


Well as of November 2, I've now lost 1st and 2nd gear. Since my post on this was on Mar 30, I got 6 months extension from the change. It'll be a bit but when I drain the oil but I'll post another picture of the drain plug residue. It being cold out now I've got to clear out my garage and heat it.

But anyway maybe it'll help someone somehow. :?

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Tried both methods. Lihtan's hole for when I first changed the oil when I bought the car, and the speedo cable hole 2 months ago when I did my CVs.

Gotta say I like the speedo hole more.

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i use the thing behind the first hole, well betweeh the first hole and the speedo cable, its the thing that pops up, has 4 10mm bolts on it, its for the shifter when u move it left and right, always used that, just clean it up afterwards throw on some rtv sealant, and i'm good, oil goes in a lot quicker.


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Just wondering: if 80-90W transmission oil is ok to use. I think the manual calls for 75-85 but I couldn't find any. Shortly after the oil change I did I've got horrible transmission noises (worst in 1st gear). I don't see how the oil could have affected it seeing as I was told by someone at a Suzuki dealership it would be fine. Just wanna clear things up. Thanks.


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The preferred gear oil is actually Synchromesh (especially if you're having transmission issues). You can the GM branded stuff from a GM dealership or the Pennzoil stuff from Lordco.

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Can you fill the trans by removing the cover off the selector yoke on the top?

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Can you fill the trans by removing the cover off the selector yoke on the top?


yep

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Seems like a pretty easy one. 4 bolts and a big hole!

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