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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 5:47 pm 
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This morning I decided to replace the blown struts in the rear on my 96 Metro.

While I was in there I cut one coil from the springs and went for a test drive.

All is well so far.

I will be replacing the front struts with similar monroe units tomorrow and I will get a better idea of the effect that the coil removal will have.

The car was a 1.0 liter car to begin with and I swapped a sohc 1.3 liter motor/trans in last year, so I am unsure as to how much drop removing one coil will give...

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This is what the car looked like before the drop.
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hey sweet minilites .. what size are those ?

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They are from a older style Saab.

15 inch x ?
195-55-15 tires.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:03 pm 
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hey sweet minilites .. what size are those ?


I have some of those too. They're Ronal's and pretty easy to pick up for ~$25/ea. at your local wreckers.
I think they are 15 X 6.5, but could be 5.5
I'll bet the car looks great lowered with those rims.

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hey sweet minilites .. what size are those ?


I have some of those too. They're Ronal's and pretty easy to pick up for ~$25/ea. at your local wreckers.
I think they are 15 X 6.5, but could be 5.5
I'll bet the car looks great lowered with those rims.


It is surprising but, it looks pretty good. I was in the market for some new tires and I found these rims with some Cooper tires mounted for a good price. The added contact patch that these tires provide make it quite fun.

The only problem is that the rear has been lower and the front has not. It was getting cold out, so I had to wait until tomorrow.

I have been working on it outside lately because the garage is full of other projects. This car is meant to be the one that I don't touch...

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CalgarySS wrote:
...This car is meant to be the one that I don't touch...

Yeah, we all say that... :lol:
I've got three "daily drivers". :wink:

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:werd: My "project" car is in the garage collecting dust and my "daily driver" has BECOME my "project" car :roll:

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Well, I replace the struts in the Metro today and removed 1 coil from the front as well.

Only one word describes the result.

Amazing!

I am VERY impressed with the change in the car. The ride is slightly more firm but it handles like a champ.

If I would have known that this much of a change could have been made, I would have done this last year when I bought the car.

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I have always thought of cutting coils as an absurd mistake that only people who have no mechanical aptitude made.

I decided to change the struts and wanted to give the cut coil method a try...call it a morbid curiousity.
:shock:

I removed 1 coil from the rear first. ( I did this as a test, because they are the easiest to swap out in the event that the change was terrible.)

After driving with the rear lowered for a day, I decided to take another chance and cut a coil from the front.

All in all, I am very impressed with the change.

Coles notes....

1 coil removed (Front)
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1 coil removed (Rear)
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Monroe sensitrac struts
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195 55 15s
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A very good handling Geo.

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 Post subject: About cutting
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And what about this FAQ?
Take a look at the last question and answer at the bottom of the page.

http://www.eibach.de/frame.inc.php?SPA=1&C_lang=en&LID1=2&LID2=13&LID3=0


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And what about this FAQ?
Take a look at the last question and answer at the bottom of the page.


That actually means, this...

Question:
Is it wrong to heat or cut a coil spring to lower a vehicle?
Answer:
cutting a coil spring in order to lower a vehicle is just plain foolish. If we perpetuate this myth with more bullshit, and even scare you in the process, you will buy more of our springs.
These procedures are very dangerous (???) and at the very least result in poor handling due to the changing of the original spring characteristic and pre-load requirements.

a) tell me how it is dangerous
b)ask anybody who has done it properly how their car handles.
c) some of the lowering springs on the market are nothing more than reproduced cut stock springs.
d) heating a spring to lower ypour car is a bad idea, but it is hardly dangerous.

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I think a lot of the research in this mod has been spoiled by ricers hacking off half their springs and riding around on their bump-stops. If this mod is approached in a conservative manner, and the coils incrementally removed and each adjustment tested, I don't see why this can't be done safely.

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did you remove the coil from the top or bottom?


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1 coil isn't really gonna make the ride dangerous. Just more prone to bottoming out, and will wear the struts out faster. WeirdOne on here heated the springs on his 96 hatchback. That turned out to be a horrible idea. His springs bent into taco shapes. If you wanna get a proper drop, get some Eibach's or Intrax springs. They're not that expensive. I have em on my vert :)

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 Post subject: Re: About cutting
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kockar wrote:
And what about this FAQ?
Take a look at the last question and answer at the bottom of the page.

http://www.eibach.de/frame.inc.php?SPA=1&C_lang=en&LID1=2&LID2=13&LID3=0


Thanks for the heads up. I must have not done any research at all before I decided to give it a try.


Mental note... don't ask Kockar for advice.... :roll:

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suprf1y wrote:
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And what about this FAQ?
Take a look at the last question and answer at the bottom of the page.


That actually means, this...

Question:
Is it wrong to heat or cut a coil spring to lower a vehicle?
Answer:
cutting a coil spring in order to lower a vehicle is just plain foolish. If we perpetuate this myth with more bullshit, and even scare you in the process, you will buy more of our springs.
These procedures are very dangerous (???) and at the very least result in poor handling due to the changing of the original spring characteristic and pre-load requirements.

a) tell me how it is dangerous
b)ask anybody who has done it properly how their car handles.
c) some of the lowering springs on the market are nothing more than reproduced cut stock springs.
d) heating a spring to lower ypour car is a bad idea, but it is hardly dangerous.


A well put together response from a person who has obviously put some thought into this.

Thanks.

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15.47@88.40mph
253.8 RWHP
378.6 RWTQ

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did you remove the coil from the top or bottom?


From the bottom.

After removing the coil from the car, I find it laughable that someone would consider cutting the top.

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Lihtan wrote:
I think a lot of the research in this mod has been spoiled by ricers hacking off half their springs and riding around on their bump-stops. If this mod is approached in a conservative manner, and the coils incrementally removed and each adjustment tested, I don't see why this can't be done safely.



Bingo.

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Perhaps I should have prefaced this post with a brief outline of my intentions...

I have seen many different ways of lowering different vehicle platforms and wanted to try a much maligned (read CHEAP) method for my Metro.

I am not a mechanically inept teenager looking for a way to slam my car with complete disregard for handling.

I am an enthusiast that wanted to try an easily reversible procedure to lower my car AND improve its handling. I am aware that altering the suspension in any way will result in a compromise.

The reason that I tried the cut coil method is because of a formula that was posted earlier on on this board.

Thanks Roy dean for this link.
http://www.miracerros.com/mustang/springs_calcs.htm

Gotta love the math!

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15.47@88.40mph
253.8 RWHP
378.6 RWTQ

1985 355 powered Sonoma.
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Just wanted everybody to know:
I personaly share main opinon here that it is not that harmful to cut one ring off of any spring, except that will reduce shock absorbers durability. One of mine friends cutted his and nothing bad happens also. But still, I think that it is better to buy some "lowered" springs...
As for heating, extreme heating, cooling - slow,fast !!! That king of messing is surely affecting on structural and mechanical condition of the spring and that can be very dangerous to do if you dont't know what exactly are you doing... and why.

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Gotcha Kockar, I retract my previous wise-ass remark. :wink:

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15.47@88.40mph
253.8 RWHP
378.6 RWTQ

1985 355 powered Sonoma.
13.6 @ 98mph


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that will reduce shock absorbers durability


Nope.

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Before Picture.
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After Picture.
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What do you think?

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Dude! Stop modifying your car! Cutting the springs caused all the leaves to fall off your neighbor's trees! Seriously, it looks nice, might be my next step.

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