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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:20 pm 
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ssgt92 & i are going to chop the coils & change the oil in my shocks tomorrow on my '92 swift gt .. any tips/warnings before we get started ? .. how many coils have you cut ? is 30w shock oil too heavy for normal roads ? did you use short sheet metal screws to plug the hole afterwards ? i'm going for any improvement i can get out of the car handling wise without breaking my almost non-existent budget .. a harsh ride is fine, i just don't want to end up looking like a pogo stick riding down the road or toasting anything...<br>we're going to try to drop it 1.5-2" .. rubbing shouldn't be a problem, i'm using 185/55/r14's ..<br>thanks =) <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:08 pm 
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kristen<br><br>i would run 20 in the front and 30 in the rear...<br><br>my set up like that last year would pick the inside tyre 3 inches of the ground...<br><br>i took off 1.5 coils i think....<br><br>sheet metal screws are fine. as that part of the strut/ shock is not underpressure or have any fluid around it.<br><br><br>make sure you drain all oil. measure it carefully. and install the same amount back in... this is critical as too much gives you struts that are solid.... when i mean solid i mean put in a vise they do not move...<br><br>have fun <p>MURR<br>Racing... Because other sports require only 1 ball</p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 5:40 pm 
please post and tell us how it goes/came out. i took 1.5 off mine no rubbing i have 13's 65. i need to do something with my shocks too. do you just drill a hole and use metal screws with sealant on it? where is the best place to drill btw? im guessing with the strut fully extended and just below the top? <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:14 pm 
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here's the image i'm going by .. i have no idea if it matters which position you have the shock/strut in when draining/filling ??? apparently murr 'n' gticouple 'n' some others were all in on this originally .. i know it works well for datsun 510's 'tho =)<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.wizardly.org/swifts/misc/struts01.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:19 pm 
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I cut 1 coil in the back,1 1/4 in front.It sat level, had good clearance for 195 50 15's,and handled great. <p></p><i></i>


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may i suggest WRAPPING the cut springs with silicone hose? no, ok<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>_________________________________<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.wheelsjamaica.com/wheels_forum/attachments/r.i.p.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:30 pm 
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umm i would double check that volume.. as i recall it was something like 210 in front and 240 in rear... this is important. do not overfill<br><br> <p>MURR<br>Racing... Because other sports require only 1 ball</p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:30 am 
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thanks liam =)<br>i'll head down to my dads lab 'n' get a measuring flask.<br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:52 am 
Is there going to be pressure inside the shock? i dont want to lose an eye while drilling <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:05 am 
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2 types of shocks struts.<br><br>Reservoir type and gas charged<br>stock are Reservoir type<br>others like munro's are gas charged<br><br>Don't even bother with these gas charged ones.<br><br>Stock type shocks are pretty simple. the outer housing of the shock is a reservoir. all the dampining is done inside a machined inner housing per say. inside this reservoir is the dampner.<br>there is no pressure in the outer housing so there should be no problem.<br><br><br><br>while draining the oil. it will take awhile. you will have turn it upside, all around, back wardsss it takess a while. compress the strut many times to get out all fluid.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:24 am 
ohhh so i dont have to drill ALL the way through?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>errr...anybody have some spare shocks? j/k<br><br>thanks i think that took care of any other questions i would have asked. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:32 pm 
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does anyone know a rate of drop to cut, ie does cutting half a coil equal a half inch drop? I am looking for about a 1.8 inch drop. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 8:07 pm 
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ok, so i've drilled, drained, & filled the rear shocks, they were just a hair over 200ml each & i filled w/ 30w oil that lordco said was the same stuff as shock oil....<br>however... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>1 shock now has a super stiff rebound, but the compression is just as easy, maybe easier then before.<br>the second shock (which i filled with the shock extended) has the same super stiff rebound, but the compression feels a bit stiffer then stock, which is better, but still the reverse of what i was expecting .. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>did i screw up or are these shocks shot or .... is this how it's supposed to be ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub83.ezboard.com/bteamswift.showUserPublicProfile?gid=n1tr0>n1tr0</A> at: 7/16/03 5:17 am<br></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:28 am 
maybe becuz you filled just that one with it extended? if it was a screwed up shock it probably wouldnt have much compression or maybe the other one could be messed up so its not as tough as that one. do they both have a good seal on the plug? so you dont like how they feel? <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 6:59 am 
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haven't put them in the car to drive yet, they're a spare set, so if one of them is bad, i can still do the other two i have in the car right now .. i've just been extending/compressing them by hand .. & there's a significant difference on the compression resistance between the two, none vs. some ...<br><br>just wanting to know if anyone else has done this or if they can verify how these shocks are supposed to operate ?<br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:14 pm 
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well i decided not to drill & fill any of the shocks in the car, i'm still not sure if my spare rears should behave like they do now w/ the 30w in them.<br><br>i did cut the coils 'tho, 1.25 coils in the front, 1 in the rear, looks good & flat, thanks for the info. unfortuneatly it looks like my front passenger one didn't seat quite right, so i'm going to have to see if i can't lift the fender 'n' pop it back into place before i drive home, no need for spring compressors anymore & turn in feels a lot sharper now.<br>for a cost of $0 & about 2 easy hours (had an impact wrench & grinder w/ cutting disk) .. it's sitting up there as one of my favorite mods yet .. of course tomorrow i need to spend the $$ on getting a good alignment.<br><br>for anyone that's drilled & filled the shocks before, any ideas ? & what/how exactly did you plug the hole ? i tried grinding down some bigger sheet metal screws, but that didn't seem too work very well w/ only a 1/4" between the outer layer & the inner.<br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:14 am 
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I thought you shouldnt cut your springs?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> all this time i have been trying to save money to buy some(yeah,while my wife bought a acura rsx)<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: cutting???
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:41 am 
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i know it's risky using the torch to sag your springs .. the only danger i see is if you are lifting a tire in a corner w/o any sort of limiter the spring could come unseated, which would be bad, but if you're not lifting tires, it should be fine. <br>i'll post some pics tomorrow after i wash my filthy girl & get the alignment done =)<br> <p></p><i></i>


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wouldnt the danger be the same even with intrax,h&r's etc?they both( cut springs and "performance lowering springs")if i am correct would be the same,except the extra i guess what you call it "seating ring" i dont know,just 4:00AM here and the screen looks blurry<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: cutting??
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:47 am 
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what are you doing awake ? i'm doing tech support & i'm still not keeping my eyes open .. there's only crazy people awake @ this time of night ..<br>if you're not lifting tires off the ground & completely unloading your suspension, i don't see any danger, however w/ intrax & h&r springs i think they have a couple dead coils that don't really do anything except take up the slack when the suspension is unloaded. that's the progressive bit ..<br> <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: cutting??
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:27 am 
Did you cut from the top or bottom? <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:07 am 
Do not torch your spring to create a drop it may make the sprin material brittle. I just put 30W in my struts a couple of days ago and it works great with the intrax springs. The struts seems to have settled the air out. The struts also pulled into compression like they had a negative pressure inside, it was a pain in the ass to hold them out while i was putting the springs back in. The beauty of the intrax is they are just short enough to compress by hand to put them back in. I drilled a 3/16" hole in mine and tapped with a 1/4-20 x1/2" bolt with gasket maker sealant. They say 1/8" max but I've had no trouble with them leaking. 30W rear and 20W front for oversteer? My car is a 2000 Metro Lsi with the bigger sway bars stock and is pretty neutral with 30W in front and rear. Fro the hell of it I drove around with only the fronts done and the understeer was insane. Forget about turning at higher speeds. As far as the springs popping out can you drill small holes in the spring cups and secure them down with a heavier safety wire, nascar style? <p>Proud owner 2000 Metro poor mans special edition</p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:33 pm 
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cut the bottom, the top tapers in. & thanks for the info metropower =)<br> <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:47 pm 
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i used a 10-28 nf Stainless steel machine screws. you need something with lots of treads per inch<br><br>Murr <p>MURR<br>Racing... Because other sports require only 1 ball</p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: cutting??
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:58 pm 
I used a coarse thread 1/4" bolt with sealant with no trouble. <p>Proud owner 2000 Metro poor mans special edition, 1984 Suzuki SJ410 poor mans rockcrawler (needs turbo 1L), 1992 Ford Aerostar Cargo van(The big white piggy, needs more dents and scars), 1964 POS Baja VW (needs to be put back together).</p><i></i>


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