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 Post subject: short shifter
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:56 pm 
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I was thinking about cutting my shifter then heard too many bad things about it....can any one recommend a good short shifter package for the swift....I want it as short as possible!...how much and where can I get it?? <p><center><b><a href="http://www.geocities.com/strictlyswifts">Strictly Swifts</a></b><br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/strictlyswifts"><img src = "http://stw.ryerson.ca/~a3singh/sham/swiftbacksmall.jpg "></a></img><br><b>strictlyswifts@hotmail.com</b></center></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shifter
PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:45 pm 
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Mince was cut 2.5" and have no problems at all.<br><br>Jake <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shifter
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:20 am 
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In the General Performance Board theres a Topic of how some guys made a short shifter using the original shifter<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>There´s easy to do( I think!)<br>If I find the topic I post here a link.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>Gonçalo M.<Br><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/1_2.gif" border="0"><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/GTI.gif" border="0"></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shifter
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:26 am 
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There he is!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://pub83.ezboard.com/fteamswiftfrm17.showMessage?topicID=49.topic">pub83.ezboard.com/fteamswiftfrm17.showMessage?topicID=49.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Hope it help! <p>Gonçalo M.<Br><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/1_2.gif" border="0"><Br><img src="http://www.rallymundo.homestead.com/files/GTI.gif" border="0"></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: short shift
PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:34 pm 
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hey guys <br>I did this mod on my swift. i ground down the welds on the fulcrum ball, and moved it up 15mm, and rewelded it. built new nylon bushings and re-installed. beautiful positive shifting but be carefull.<br>Now you think you have short shift u can bash the gears like an M-21 rockcrusher. nope your tranny will break with fast shifting.<br>any questions just ask<br>MURR <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shift
PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2002 11:21 pm 
I was going to cut the shifter right under the fulcrum ball and weld in about a half inch peice to make it a shorter throw. Which route would be, safer, easier, faster? Yours or mine?<br>My brother has a brand new welder, and hes dying for a reason to use it.<br><br>I figured my route could risk the shifter breaking and would hit my exhaust.<br>I never thought about rewelding the fulcrum ball. sounds more logical <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shift
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:43 pm 
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reweldig your shifter ball will do the same thing as adding a "chunk of metal" but your way u have 2 welded joints on the shaft. rewelding the ball u only weld back to the shaft.<br><br>either or accomplish the same thing.<br><br>MURR <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shift
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:32 pm 
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my friend had a short shifter modification and his gearbox is now BUSTED!!! <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: short shifter
PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2002 11:52 pm 
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yeah probably because your friend thinks he can shift faster now. that isn't the case. u still have to take your time to shift.<br><br>MURR <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shifter
PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2002 10:29 am 
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so the benefits are just a better feel? <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: Re: short shifter
PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2002 3:42 pm 
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is there a shifter where i won't have to worry about how hard i shift? when i race i have a tendancy to slam the gears. what could i do so i don't kill the shifter? <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: short shifter
PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2002 12:51 am 
H---A shot shifters work just fine.It doesn't know its not a honda <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: mk1gti
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2002 7:50 am 
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Are you using a Honda shifter? If so witch one is it for? Does it work fine? Are there any mods that must be done to use it? I was going to look at the aftermarket shifters for the other imports. To see if they might work. But I have not had the time. Please let me know. <p></p><i></i>


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 Post subject: shifter
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2002 9:27 am 
92gt the 92-95 civic short shifter works great<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I have put 3 in(one in a 1987,89,and 93).all you need to do is file the cup (the part it sit in) to let it drop in.Put it all back together the way it came apart.Works like a champ. <p></p><i></i>


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:38 am 
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what im planning on doin is cutting like two inches of the top and rethreading it when i get a new shifter ball.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:29 pm 
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dru wrote:
what im planning on doin is cutting like two inches of the top and rethreading it when i get a new shifter ball.


That will give you a "short" shifter, however what most of the folks are speaking about is shortening the distance that the shifter moves in between gears - which usually requires moving the fulcrum, by either shifting the ball, or simultaneously shortening the top section and lengthening the bottom.


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fordem wrote:
dru wrote:
what im planning on doin is cutting like two inches of the top and rethreading it when i get a new shifter ball.


That will give you a "short" shifter, however what most of the folks are speaking about is shortening the distance that the shifter moves in between gears - which usually requires moving the fulcrum, by either shifting the ball, or simultaneously shortening the top section and lengthening the bottom.


It's still shorter that way without moving the fulcrum - just isn't AS short a throw as doing both. (The 'arc' length which is the throw is shorter now that the radius is shorter)

The benefit of not extending the length of the shaft below the pivot is you won't have a misalignment of forces acting on the tranny shift linkage.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:58 am 
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JellyBeanDriver wrote:
The benefit of not extending the length of the shaft below the pivot is you won't have a misalignment of forces acting on the tranny shift linkage.


the shifter linkage has multiple pivots and more than enough range to handle a longer lever on the bottom side.

as i see it, one of the best things about using the aftermarket shifters is that they have 2 ball bearings that replace the stock plastic bushing (that wears out and gives you the sloppy shifter.) the ball bearings make for a very smooth and positive shift when they're properly shimmed inside the clevis (fork) on the end of the linkage. the ball on the aluminum shifter i used last time was a bit larger in diameter and fit the cup more snugly without having to replace the worn bushings. that took out a lot of slop in the shifter which made it feel a lot less like you were stirring oatmeal than selecting a gear. :lol:

it makes a really nice mod, shorter on the top side, longer on the bottom side.

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JellyBeanDriver wrote:

It's still shorter that way without moving the fulcrum - just isn't AS short a throw as doing both. (The 'arc' length which is the throw is shorter now that the radius is shorter)

The benefit of not extending the length of the shaft below the pivot is you won't have a misalignment of forces acting on the tranny shift linkage.


Agreed, it does shorten the arc, however, I invite you to try it both ways and to let us know which of the two methods gives better results overall.


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fordem wrote:
Agreed, it does shorten the arc, however, I invite you to try it both ways and to let us know which of the two methods gives better results overall.


Already did it both ways on my Classic Sentra SE-R - I moved the stock pivot AND cut a section off the top and tig'd it back together. If you want a shorter throw, just cut the top, OR move the pivot. For the shortest throw do both.

I went a bit too far on my Sentra.

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 Post subject: shifter
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:50 pm 
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so if the short shifter from the civic works in the swift do u think it will eork in a baleno/esteem???

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Hi everybody!

I'm trying to build a short shifter in an alternative way, without welding anything. If this way works, I'll post the result on the board...

Can somebody tell me if with a short shifter may I have problem with my gearbox in the long period? I wouldn't break it...


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A short shifter increases the likelyhood that you'll force shifts before the synchros have had time to match shaft speeds. When that happens you'll hear some unpleasant crunching noises. Take it easy on the shifts if you're using a short shifter. Save the synchro-crunching for the track. :wink:

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Lihtan wrote:
A short shifter increases the likelyhood that you'll force shifts before the synchros have had time to match shaft speeds. When that happens you'll hear some unpleasant crunching noises. Take it easy on the shifts if you're using a short shifter. Save the synchro-crunching for the track. :wink:


I was thinking about this - a short shifter decreases the amount of hand travel require to shift, by reducing the amount of leverage that the shift lever provides.

This means that it takes more effort on your part to move the shifter fork, which will probably translate to less force being applied to the synchros - why should it cause damage?


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The entire purpose of a short shifter is to increase the speed you can shift gears by shortening the distance the shifter has to move to complete a shift. Although the resistance does increase slightly, it's nowhere near enough to delay the shift.

I've had the benefit of having used both the stock shifter and a short shifter. The stock shifter feels like you're rowing a boat. The shifter knob placement is really good, and the length of the shifter gives plenty of leverage for easy shifts. But trying to make fast shifts takes work because of all the distance you have to cover. The short shifter in comparison, even with the knob mounted a bit lower feels tighter and more solid. There's a "notchier" feel as you enage gears. Most signifigantly is the considerable reduction of distance you need to complete a shift. Grab the shifter knob and yank. That's all you need to do. Yes it feels a little firmer, but you don't need to move it as far. This is also the crux of the short shifter. It makes it very easy and convenient to overwhelm the synchros. In comparison the stock shifter feels more like you're picking a potato up from a plate and carrying it across a table. This is plenty of time for the synchros to do their work.

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